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An incredible display of pragmatism from our regulators. Given the commentary on HN it seems that most here want everyone involved in an ICO to be thrown in jail. ICO’s are an effective way to raise funds from a global pool of enthusiasts. The Ethereum blockchain itself was funded from an ICO, and it’s doubtful that as much money would have been raised at such advantageous terms from traditional VC for a 22 year old…
> I believe that initial coin offerings – whether they represent offerings of securities or not – can be effective ways for entrepreneurs and others to raise funding, including for innovative projects. > We at the SEC are committed to promoting capital formation. The technology on which cryptocurrencies and ICOs are based may prove to be disruptive, transformative and efficiency enhancing. I am confident that develop…
I think that is a very considered and wide ranging statement. The proof is in the pudding though. He looks like he has called out some ICO's, but until enforcement proceedings start, it is still not clear. I can't see how any pre-mined ICO, like ripple, wouldn't be treated like a security given those statements. As a long time crypto investor, even i recognise that ico's are out of control. It is my opinion that if y…
That's not quite right.
You could say that WoW Gold is "premined". You can't "mine" it yourself, and it's only issued by World of Warcraft.
Same thing with Walmart gift cards and Disney Dollars.
Call it money, or tokens, or scrip, but it's not a security.
If you sell it to users primarialy to transact with it, it's probably not a security.
If you sell it to fund the development of the enterprise, and buyers expect to profit from that enterprise, then it probably is a security.
I encourage Main Street investors to be open to these opportunities This is ominous.
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I don’t understand why being premined makes any difference? A company could easily create an equity pool and a new mineable currency, and make that currency worth a proportional amount of equity. That would very clearly fall under the umbrella of security. Similarly someone could create a premined currency and evenly distribute it to anyone who asked for it, in exchange for nothing with no guarantees about it being r…
If you buy bitcoin you aren't buying it from the author of the bitcoin client to fund further development. I'm going to say not a security transaction.
Jay Clayton '1] This statement is my own and does not reflect the views of any other Commissioner or the Commission. This statement is not, and should not be taken as, a definitive discussion of applicable law, all the relevant risks with respect to these products, or a statement of my position on any particular product. ' Intriguing that this is a personal perspective....
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By and large, the structures of initial coin offerings that I have seen promoted involve the offer and sale of securities and directly implicate the securities registration requirements and other investor protection provisions of our federal securities laws. Generally speaking, these laws provide that investors deserve to know what they are investing in and the relevant risks involved.
I have asked the SEC’s Division of Enforcement to continue to police this area vigorously and recommend enforcement actions against those that conduct initial coin offerings in violation of the federal securities laws.
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That seems a pretty clear warning: most ICOs will be treated as securities under US law. I'd be willing to bet that the SEC will be making an example of some people relatively soon.
> I believe that initial coin offerings – whether they represent offerings of securities or not – can be effective ways for entrepreneurs and others to raise funding, including for innovative projects. > We at the SEC are committed to promoting capital formation. The technology on which cryptocurrencies and ICOs are based may prove to be disruptive, transformative and efficiency enhancing. I am confident that develop…
I think this is more negative for ICOs than your quotes imply. Look at this: > By and large, the structures of initial coin offerings that I have seen promoted involve the offer and sale of securities and directly implicate the securities registration requirements and other investor protection provisions of our federal securities laws. Basically, almost all ICOs so far are illegal. He says that it's possible to make…
This is not a statement from the SEC, but from chairman Clayton. See footnote [1]: « This statement is my own and does not reflect the views of any other Commissioner or the Commission. This statement is not, and should not be taken as, a definitive discussion of applicable law, all the relevant risks with respect to these products, or a statement of my position on any particular product. »
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I think this is more negative for ICOs than your quotes imply. Look at this: > By and large, the structures of initial coin offerings that I have seen promoted involve the offer and sale of securities and directly implicate the securities registration requirements and other investor protection provisions of our federal securities laws. Basically, almost all ICOs so far are illegal. He says that it's possible to make…
Most of the benefit of doing an ICO is that investors are throwing a ton of dumb money into ICOs.
> I believe that initial coin offerings – whether they represent offerings of securities or not – can be effective ways for entrepreneurs and others to raise funding, including for innovative projects. > We at the SEC are committed to promoting capital formation. The technology on which cryptocurrencies and ICOs are based may prove to be disruptive, transformative and efficiency enhancing. I am confident that develop…
If by 'some' you mean that some future tokens might be able to be offered for sale legally, then yes. But he also just declared basically 100% existing token operations to be criminal.