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Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by neaanopri »

ben_jones wrote: post #28
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #2

Twitch already has a flagging system for "mature" content, and they ban anything with actual nudity pretty aggressively. It sounds like this is actually a call to police the use of sex appeal by streamers, which seems like a difficult thing to judge in general and I'm not sure how they could actually achieve such a thing.

Devil's advocate: a small portion of streamers use their sexuality to solicit large donations from individuals who cannot afford such donations. Sure you can't police it, but it kind of underpins the site when every popular game has multiple people using this strategy for personal profit. It's highly visible, everybody knows about it. Shouldn't it at least be talked about?

To Devil's Advocate the Devil's Advocate: This isn't a "sexualized streaming" issue, this is an issue of people donating money they don't have or can't afford. Outside of a personally invasive police state, I don't see a way of stopping this beyond some sort of flags for people who donate too much, similar to how gambling addiction is dealt with.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by jchw »

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #2

Twitch already has a flagging system for "mature" content, and they ban anything with actual nudity pretty aggressively. It sounds like this is actually a call to police the use of sex appeal by streamers, which seems like a difficult thing to judge in general and I'm not sure how they could actually achieve such a thing.

>and they ban anything with actual nudity pretty aggressively.

Framing it as if they only ban aggressively for actual nudity is unfair. They ban aggressively on all kinds of fronts, including very subjective criteria, they just do it very inconsistently.

For all I care, they can do whatever they want. But I do feel like they are hard to take seriously until they decide to apply their rules equally. They do not. They have egregiously played favorites in a way that is surprising for such a big and respected entity as Twitch.

The thing that sucks is, the irresponsible ways that Twitch and YouTube behave hurts everyone, because they try to sell ads on content they know advertisers wouldn't like, and when advertisers wise up they overreact and become adverse to supporting small content creators. They would rather have "safe," big content creators instead, where they can feel like they're getting their money's worth.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by NathanKP »

Bishonen88 wrote: post #26
NathanKP wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I don't really understand who is complaining. You have to go pretty out of your way to find these "sexual streamers" and they have pretty low viewer count to be honest. If you stick to browsing Twitch by game you almost never see them, and the top game streams have 10k-20k viewers at all times. You have to specifically go to the IRL section of Twitch to find camgirl style streams, and most of these "sexual strea…

Out of your way, you say? Check out the irl section,please. More often than not you’ll find a female streaming with her tits out in top10. Quite often there’s 2 or 3 in top 10. The content they provide is just sitting around and look in the camera waiting for donations and having their breasts up in the camera. Personally, I don’t care. But it’s not like those type of streamers are hard to find.

That's my point though. These sex appeal focused streams are almost all in the IRL section, not the top games section. You have to specifically go to the IRL section to find them, aka you have to go out of your way to get there.

Compare the game focused sections like PUBG, or League of Legends, or World of Warcraft. These sections of the site are clearly the dominant and original viewing categories on Twitch from the beginning. If you just want to watch a game then you can go to these sections and do that.

On the other hand if you want to watch for the streamer then the IRL section is there to cater to whatever type of streamer you want to watch, including streamers who have followers based on sex appeal, not game finesse.

It feels like manufactured outrage to me if you are going to the IRL section and complaining about the contents. Because the IRL section isn't game focused in the first place. It is personality focused, and sexual appeal is going to be part of it. You also have streams of buff shirtless guys working out in the gym on IRL, just like you have streams of women in tight clothing. If you go the IRL section and start complaining about it not being game focused that's just silly.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by tomc1985 »

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #2

Twitch already has a flagging system for "mature" content, and they ban anything with actual nudity pretty aggressively. It sounds like this is actually a call to police the use of sex appeal by streamers, which seems like a difficult thing to judge in general and I'm not sure how they could actually achieve such a thing.

Watching the world drift further and further towards moral prudery is so disheartening, especially when so much social progress was made on this front during the 60s and 70s. Society is so cyclical :/

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by pjc50 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #8
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #2

Twitch already has a flagging system for "mature" content, and they ban anything with actual nudity pretty aggressively. It sounds like this is actually a call to police the use of sex appeal by streamers, which seems like a difficult thing to judge in general and I'm not sure how they could actually achieve such a thing.

Yeah it gets into the hyper subjective realm of what is acceptable or not. If I sexually identify as a CAS aircraft, will they ban DCS A-10 Simulator as sexual content? On the other hand, they're a company so they're perfectly allowed to decide where they draw the line and enforce that. I just hope we don't accidentally cause a regression with women in gaming by accidentally enforcing a dress code that mostly impacts…

> I just hope we don't accidentally cause a regression with women in gaming by accidentally enforcing a dress code that mostly impacts women.

See the recent Naomi Wu controversy.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by anigbrowl »

ben_jones wrote: post #28
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #2

Twitch already has a flagging system for "mature" content, and they ban anything with actual nudity pretty aggressively. It sounds like this is actually a call to police the use of sex appeal by streamers, which seems like a difficult thing to judge in general and I'm not sure how they could actually achieve such a thing.

Devil's advocate: a small portion of streamers use their sexuality to solicit large donations from individuals who cannot afford such donations. Sure you can't police it, but it kind of underpins the site when every popular game has multiple people using this strategy for personal profit. It's highly visible, everybody knows about it. Shouldn't it at least be talked about?

solicit large donations from individuals who cannot afford such donations

How is a donor's financial wellbeing the solicitor's problem? Sexy cam streams may be a total waste of money but at least it's not going to give you cancer as well as a short-term thrill.

Re: Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

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Post by wisty »

ben_w wrote: post #16
Waterluvian wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it gets into the hyper subjective realm of what is acceptable or not. If I sexually identify as a CAS aircraft, will they ban DCS A-10 Simulator as sexual content? On the other hand, they're a company so they're perfectly allowed to decide where they draw the line and enforce that. I just hope we don't accidentally cause a regression with women in gaming by accidentally enforcing a dress code that mostly impacts…

> If I sexually identify as a CAS aircraft, will they ban DCS A-10 Simulator as sexual content? I don’t know if this is a joke, but that is a thing that happens. Given how long I was blind to my own (relatively straightforward) bisexuality, I think the real answer is that people in charge literally cannot conceive of sexuality that far away from their worldview.

For a less silly and inflammatory example, how about feet? Because there certainly are foot fetishists out there.
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