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Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by bigbugbag »

bastawhiz wrote: post #28
staunch wrote: post #23

The Mozilla Treasurer and Chair are still taking $1M each, right? Why is this scandal going unreported? Are there really no experienced managers willing to run this potentially great organization for $300k/year? Why would we want people who are willing to take so much money from an open source project? Why are there 1200 people at Mozilla and so little product to show? Why do they constantly spend all of their revenu…

When making bold claims and assertions, you should cite facts.

honest question: what exactly in what he said are not facts ?

Do mozilla not have 1200 employees and top people being paid 1M $ ?

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by bigleagueposter »

neonhomer wrote: post #18
deckarep wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2017 who’s still using Yahoo anyway for their search engine?

I was going to ask the same thing. But also why are people still using Google? I've been using DuckDuckGo for years and only use Google when I'm forced to (like in Chrome on iOS).

I support google because they are enemies of microsoft/apple/facebook.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

#33

Post by 2bitencryption »

neonhomer wrote: post #18
deckarep wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2017 who’s still using Yahoo anyway for their search engine?

I was going to ask the same thing. But also why are people still using Google? I've been using DuckDuckGo for years and only use Google when I'm forced to (like in Chrome on iOS).

asking why people "still use Google" is like asking why people "still drink water".

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by bigbugbag »

mozillanotnice wrote: post #27

Yes, and also continued to lose market share!* I wish they would stop changing the user interface so frequently. * https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/default.asp

I beg to differ, I wish they would not remove the previous interface when introducing a new one and offer the user the freedom to choose the one she prefers.

This is one major gripe I have with mozilla and firefox: depriving the user of the freedom to choose and forcing change upon them.

This constant interface change is affecting many of the older people for whom I provide technical support. They all relied on classic theme restorer extension to be able to use their browser and dropping support for the "legacy" extension gave them a hard time and the solution has been to drop firefox for waterfox or to drop the computer to get one of those tablets.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

#35

Post by paulryanrogers »

mozillanotnice wrote: post #26
staktrace wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't change the default search engine, then updates to the default search engine will affect you. If you explicitly change the default, then the updates should leave your choice intact.

I had another provider explicitly set default search engine, but was asked if it could switch to Google during the Ubuntu update to 57. Annoying.

Ubuntu used to have their own bundled add-on which may have affected those defaults

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

#36

Post by rebelwebmaster »

bigbugbag wrote: post #29
staunch wrote: post #23

The Mozilla Treasurer and Chair are still taking $1M each, right? Why is this scandal going unreported? Are there really no experienced managers willing to run this potentially great organization for $300k/year? Why would we want people who are willing to take so much money from an open source project? Why are there 1200 people at Mozilla and so little product to show? Why do they constantly spend all of their revenu…

This is something I wondered about for quite some time now. How come so many employees and so much spent money with so little to show for it. Reading the reason for dropping alsa support or refusing to have better linux integration it seems mozilla is short on dev time and resources which they clearly are not. Do you remember when they got 10 000 people donating money to pay to place an ad for firefox 1.0 in NY Times…

Yeah, massively overhauling their code base over the last year really is nothing to show for it.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

#37

Post by paulryanrogers »

bigbugbag wrote: post #34
mozillanotnice wrote: post #27

Yes, and also continued to lose market share!* I wish they would stop changing the user interface so frequently. * https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/default.asp

I beg to differ, I wish they would not remove the previous interface when introducing a new one and offer the user the freedom to choose the one she prefers. This is one major gripe I have with mozilla and firefox: depriving the user of the freedom to choose and forcing change upon them. This constant interface change is affecting many of the older people for whom I provide technical support. They all relied on class…

I agree the unnecessary change is tiresome. Unfortunately some influential folks prefer to treat UI like fashion.

That said, there are times when UIs must change to accommodate new interface devices like touch screens. And maintaining both old and new forever is impractical.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

#38

Post by bigbugbag »

bigleagueposter wrote: post #32
neonhomer wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to ask the same thing. But also why are people still using Google? I've been using DuckDuckGo for years and only use Google when I'm forced to (like in Chrome on iOS).

I support google because they are enemies of microsoft/apple/facebook.

You are deeply mistaken if you really think those are enemies.

First apple is a hardware vendor of overpriced gadgets, totally unrelated to google market which is an advertising network.

Second the ship has long sailed on the feud between Google and Facebook, they now have ceased fighting and are each back on focusing on their own thing.

Do you have a recent example of google fighting microsoft ? heck even apple was friend with microsoft behind the scene, the fight was just for show. Remember how bill gates gave money to help apple stay afloat ?

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

#39

Post by bigbugbag »

neonhomer wrote: post #18
deckarep wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2017 who’s still using Yahoo anyway for their search engine?

I was going to ask the same thing. But also why are people still using Google? I've been using DuckDuckGo for years and only use Google when I'm forced to (like in Chrome on iOS).

Because the vast majority of users never change the default. Among the rest a significant part has an habit and it is harder to unlearn something than learn something new.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by windlep »

bigbugbag wrote: post #31
bastawhiz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When making bold claims and assertions, you should cite facts.

honest question: what exactly in what he said are not facts ? Do mozilla not have 1200 employees and top people being paid 1M $ ?

Mozilla has around 1050 employee's give or take a dozen (at the Mozilla Corp at least, Mozilla Foundation has a few as well, but is accounted for separately afaik).

Some top executives and board members are paid 1-3M according to documentation out there, sure. If you compare to other companies where they'd be in charge of as many people at a similar level, this is substantially under what they could demand.

As an employee, they pay us well with great benefits, though I could likely make 2-3x as much at another company (just like the execs). I rather like Mozilla's mission and my work though, and the work-life balance is nice.

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