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Initial Coin Offerings Horrify a Former S.E.C. Regulator

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The idea of accredited investors horrifies me. The only way to get rich by investing is to get in early when the valuation is very low. These type of rules guarantee that only people already rich will be able to get in early.

The reason cryptocurrencies & ICOs are popular is they let anyone speculate and day trade.

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wallstreet has a monopoly on IPOs, they are clearly threatened by the ICO boom. Its just the internet all over again. Candlemakers wanted to ban light bulbs. Newspaper wanted to regulate online media. They all failed. So will wallstreet. Its just a matter of time, the forcing function is way to strong.

What is "wallstreet"?

> "Wall Street is an eight-block-long street running roughly northwest to southeast from Broadway to South Street, at the East River, in the Financial District of Lower Manhattan in New York City. Over time, the term has become a metonym for the financial markets of the United States as a whole, the American financial services industry (even if financial firms are not physically located there), or New York-based financial interests."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street

Re: Initial Coin Offerings Horrify a Former S.E.C. Regulator

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post #3

Anyone who buys into ICOs tend to not do much research

Most ICOs look like fairly blatant fraud. We have laws to protect people from even subtler forms of fraud. The fact that they allow this stuff to continue is as amazing to me as some of the scams going on.

Before they can stop it, they need to learn enough to learn how to correctly characterize it, without hitting non-fraud in the process. That's easy to do in an HN comment box, with nothing at stake if you get something wrong, and all the ambiguity of English working for you. It's somewhat harder to do when you require legal precision and are interacting with trillions of dollars worth of existing market.

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post #22

>I.C.O.s represent the most pervasive, open and notorious violation of federal securities laws since the Code of Hammurabi Can someone explain this statement to me? Is he saying I.C.O.s are the most flagrant violations occurring since the Code of Hammurabi was written, or is the Code of Hammurabi itself a violation?

You can substitute “since the Code of Hammurabi” for “in all legal history”. He’s simply using more flowery language.

Re: Initial Coin Offerings Horrify a Former S.E.C. Regulator

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is allowed that horrifies you?

One that bothers me the most is automated high frequency trading. They can cause the entire market to crash because of one mistake.

automated high frequency trading also does the important work of eliminating the question "Which exchange should I buy AAPL at?"

HFT is mostly ultra-fast arbitrage programs, and the benefit of using them far outweighs the downsides.

Maybe the problem is not with HFT but in the industry as a whole

Re: Initial Coin Offerings Horrify a Former S.E.C. Regulator

#37

The interesting unasked question here is why he seems to like FileCoin (the reference to decentralised storage markets) - what does he think that FileCoin gets right that others are getting wrong?

File coin requires you to be an accredited investor.

Grandmas and Joe smoes are not being scammed. You can only lose money from file coin if you are in the top 1% already, and therefore probably don't need the government to protect you.

Re: Initial Coin Offerings Horrify a Former S.E.C. Regulator

#38

The funny thing about ICOs is that anyone in the world can invest anonymously AND GET PAID BACK anonymously even if they have no money, don't have a bank account, are a fugitive, in Iran or North Korea, are in prison, have unpaid child support obligations, have large unpaid IRS tax liabilities, or government fines and penalties or are using stolen funds. All the little knobs and levers that governments use to financi…

That's certainly one big reason why they're popular. Many of the most popular uses for cryptocurrencies are strictly illegal.

Re: Initial Coin Offerings Horrify a Former S.E.C. Regulator

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post #22

>I.C.O.s represent the most pervasive, open and notorious violation of federal securities laws since the Code of Hammurabi Can someone explain this statement to me? Is he saying I.C.O.s are the most flagrant violations occurring since the Code of Hammurabi was written, or is the Code of Hammurabi itself a violation?

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Re: Initial Coin Offerings Horrify a Former S.E.C. Regulator

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post #30
post #11

What's old is new again - this is why the SEC was created if I'm not mistaken. People were losing their shirts investing in shady companies so the government stepped in to protect people from themselves. For this reason it won't be surprising at all when we start seeing some attempts to enact regulation.

Why dont we regulate everything like that. Why do we allow people to spend 2M$ on a Car or 6k$ on a bag? Why do we allow people to buy unlimited lottery tickets or gamble everything away in the casino? Those examples have cleary less benefit for society then the dumbest investment strategy. Let people invest, sure tons if people will lose their shirt but they will learn from it and stay away. Everyone else in the soc…

> Those examples have cleary less benefit for society then the dumbest investment strategy

They also carry less risk. Few people who "lose their shirt" say "oh well, I didn't do my diligence." Instead, they blame the system. Their anger becomes political capital. Moreover, inept investment combined with leverage can decimate an economy in a way frivolous personal spending does not.

If you want to learn about why these regulations appeared, in more or less similar form, many times independently across the world, start by reading on the history of free banking, the Panic of 1907, the post World War I securities market and the debates surrounding the Securities and Exchange Acts of '33 and '34.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal nor securities advice.

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