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The impossibility of intelligence explosion

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Re: The impossibility of intelligence explosion

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This article draws some false parallels. 1. He argues that intelligence is situational, but doesn't address clones. What happens if AI can clone Einstein, with all of his situational knowledge? What if AI can clone Einstein and all of his colleagues, 1M times, creating 1M parallel Princetons? Similarly, he says most of our intelligence is in our civilization, but what's to stop us from cloning big chunks of our civil…

> but what's to stop us from cloning big chunks of our civilizations... simulating them, but using vastly less power/resources for each simulation? Then writing software to have them pass knowledge among the civilizations? We have just a few hundred countries, what if we had a trillion communicating at the speed of computer circuitry?

The principle of computational irreducibility [1] is what will stop us from "cloning" civilizations. That and chaos theory - any tiny deviation in initial conditions of such a simulation or cloning process could produce unusable results.

"simulating them, but using vastly less power/resources" is a pipe dream.

[1] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ComputationalIrreducibility.htm...

Re: The impossibility of intelligence explosion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why isn't it possible (or likely, even) that the difficulty of constructing capacity X+1 grows faster than the +1 capacity? Self-improvement would slow exponentially when it takes three times the resources/computation/whatever to construct something that's twice as good at self-improving, for example.

You're arguing that it's not an exponential that doesn't continue to the right indefinitely. But what if it follows a sigmoid instead, but the plateau is much higher than the current level? This is what punctuated equilibria look like -- even if the 'new thing' isn't actually a singularity, it may be enormously disruptive and completely displace whatever came before.

>You're arguing that it's not an exponential that doesn't continue to the right indefinitely.

Kalminer's post neither assumes that nor claims it to be so.

The argument is not that an exponential growth is impossible, it is that it cannot be assumed from what we currently know, because we don't know how the problem of bootstrapping intelligence scales. In fact, the idea that exponential growth would occur over any period of time, let alone indefinitely, is speculative - which is not a claim that it is impossible.

Re: The impossibility of intelligence explosion

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This manages to get lost in its own trees. From a reductionist perspective: - Intelligence greater than human is possible - Intelligence is the operation of a machine; it can be reverse engineered - Intelligence can be built - Better intelligences will be better at improving the state of the art in building better, more cost-effective intelligences Intelligence explosion on some timescale will result the moment you c…

I think the point he is trying to make is that there are boundaries to intelligence. I think of it this way - no matter how smart an AI is, it still would take 4.3 years to reach Alpha Centauri going at the speed of light . An AI still needs to run experiments, collect evidence, conjure hypothesis, reach consensus, etc.. Is this really that far more efficient than what humans do today?

Sure there are boundaries. But the limit of these boundaries may be way above what humans are doing. Computers, unlike humans aren't limited to the domain of the physical. An AI may well be able to meaningfully organize (read: hack) all of the worlds computers because it can self-replicate, increase computing power, communicate very complex information very fast, etc. We're limited by the output of fingers and vocal chords, by the size of our brains, by imprecise and slow memory formation and recall, by the input we can get from mostly eyes and ears, computers aren't.

An AI may well be able to reach consensus on millions of hypotheses per second.

Re: The impossibility of intelligence explosion

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> The intelligence of a human is specialized in the problem of being human.

And then you have people able to express and derive complex theoretical relationships by manipulating mathematical symbols, or automate processes by programming machines, or capable of utilizing their spatial visualization to massively boost their memory. We invented that stuff. We know artificial intelligence is capable of inventing stuff because we are.

The author seems hilariously unaware of the fact that humans can learn to solve/optimize many arbitrary problems. Like, holy shit, have you ever played video games?

> In practice, geniuses with exceptional cognitive abilities usually live overwhelmingly banal lives, and very few of them accomplish anything of note. Of the people who have attempted to take over the world, hardly any seem to have had an exceptional intelligence.

The author conflates intelligence and purpose. Being smart doesn't imply the motivation to accomplish grand things. In fact, we're biologically hardwired to enjoy entirely mundane things: food, sex, love, relaxation, conversation.

> A single human brain, on its own, is not capable of designing a greater intelligence than itself. (...) Will the superhuman AIs of the future, developed collectively over centuries, have the capability to develop AI greater than themselves? No, no more than any of us can.

Human brains don't scale vertically (or otherwise). Meanwhile, once you have a satisfactory facial recognition algorithm, you can run it to recognize faces in a video at 1000x realtime speed, or in 1000 simultaneous realtime streams. The AI doesn't even have to be smarter than human! 1000 dumb humans communicating at gigabit speeds and solving problems while you're wondering what to have for lunch is a force to be reckoned with.

Re: The impossibility of intelligence explosion

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"An individual brain cannot implement recursive intelligence augmentation. An overwhelming amount of evidence points to this simple fact: a single human brain, on its own, is not capable of designing a greater intelligence than itself. This is a purely empirical statement: out of billions of human brains that have come and gone, none has done so. Clearly, the intelligence of a single human, over a single lifetime, ca…

> We can not simply look in our brains/minds and read our source code, nor easily tweak it to see what would happen without great risks to our lives. A computer could.

That is not a given. The neural network type of AI, which is so far the most promising avenue, is about as opaque as a human brain. It is far from obvious that even a superintelligent AI could understand what its own brain does, let alone modify it in a way that has positive implications for itself.

Hell, it's not even a given the AI could read its "source code" either. We often say we shouldn't anthropomorphize AI, but we shouldn't how-current-computers-work-ize it either. Future AI might not actually run on computers that have a CPU, a GPU and RAM that can be read freely. The ability to read or copy source code isn't cost-less, and several considerations may lead AI hardware designers to axe it. One consideration would be leveraging analog processes, which might be orders of magnitude more efficient than digital ones, at the cost of exactness and reproducibility. Another would be to make circuits denser by removing the clock and all global communication architecture, meaning that artificial neurons would only be connected to each other, and there would be no way to read their state externally without a physical probe.

Re: The impossibility of intelligence explosion

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"An individual brain cannot implement recursive intelligence augmentation. An overwhelming amount of evidence points to this simple fact: a single human brain, on its own, is not capable of designing a greater intelligence than itself. This is a purely empirical statement: out of billions of human brains that have come and gone, none has done so. Clearly, the intelligence of a single human, over a single lifetime, ca…

> We can not simply look in our brains/minds and read our source code, nor easily tweak it to see what would happen without great risks to our lives. A computer could. That is not a given. The neural network type of AI, which is so far the most promising avenue, is about as opaque as a human brain. It is far from obvious that even a superintelligent AI could understand what its own brain does, let alone modify it in…

"That is not a given. The neural network type of AI, which is so far the most promising avenue, is about as opaque as a human brain. It is far from obvious that even a superintelligent AI could understand what its own brain does, let alone modify it in a way that has positive implications for itself."

What it could do is experiment. It could rewire the network, add or take away nodes, change functions, etc. This could potentially be done and evaluated by it at an incredibly fast rate compared to humans.

Regarding the difficulties of it reading its own source code, even the hypothetical ones you cite are many orders of magnitude smaller than those faced by humans in reading their own, as long as the AI is not itself running on a biological substrate.

Re: The impossibility of intelligence explosion

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> If intelligence is fundamentally linked to specific sensorimotor modalities, a specific environment, a specific upbringing, and a specific problem to solve, then you cannot hope to arbitrarily increase the intelligence of an agent merely by tuning its brain — no more than you can increase the throughput of a factory line by speeding up the conveyor belt. The latter part makes no sense at all. Of course you can incr…

"The whole statement is also wrong. Of course you can increase intelligence by optimizing the process of learning." One of the author's main points is that "intelligence" in the way you mentioned, learning and optimization, is simply one aspect of the human mind. So we could optimize our minds (or an AI program) to beat anyone at the game of Go and play perfectly, but that's all it is optimized to do. It can understa…

I'm suddenly having flashbacks to reading On the Impossibility of Supersized Machines [1]

[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.10987.pdf

Re: The impossibility of intelligence explosion

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I'm not sure that I ever read a piece written with so much certainty and arrogance on a field that is completely unexplored. Just as an example:

"The basic premise of intelligence explosion — that a “seed AI” will arise, with greater-than-human problem solving ability, leading to a sudden, recursive, runaway intelligence improvement loop — is false."

From the little that we know as of today I call bullshit. Even Alpha Go, that is arguably a quite primordial AI, managed to achieve super-human performance in a ridiculously short amount of time, just playing against itself. And it simply crashed all the collective effort of the human players that honed their strategies for literally millennia in what is considered one of the most difficult games. I don't think the author has any insight at all on what a general AI will be.

Re: The impossibility of intelligence explosion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If we have a computer program that is able to design better hardware, it can be improved by simply moving it to better hardware. Could you please elaborate? What is it about "better hardware" that makes software that runs on it "better"? Can you define "better"?

Hardware that has more memory, more processing speed, faster access to memory, and more parallelism is better than hardware without those characteristics. The exact same software running on better hardware will run faster and can tackle larger problems. We can't possibly build a human with twice the memory that thinks twice as fast. However once we have an AI which is roughly equivalent to a human, having an AI with…

Wait, so if I run a Go-playing program from 10 years ago on the AlphaGo cluster then it'll produce better results than it did 10 years ago?
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