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Re: Kickstarter launches Drip, a Patreon competitor

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Post by edwinwee »

no1youknowz wrote: post #23
DamnInteresting wrote: post #12

I had an idea for a competitor in the Patreon space a couple of years ago, but with a twist that I feel would have made "patrons" much more comfortable with the whole thing. I even registered a domain, started on some coding, and consulted with some designers. But it quickly became apparent that financial gateways (credit cards, Paypal, etc) are hostile to the idea of allowing me to charge customer A, keep a cut, and…

I was going to write the exact same response. One day I'm going to write a blog post because the overwhelming response has been very hostile. Even when companies advertise that they do it. Here's my experience so far: Adyen. Overwhelmingly hostile to startups. All telephone numbers get routed to support. So if you call sales, someone in support answers. The individual who answers the phone also has very basic knowled…

Edwin from Stripe here. We're working on phone support, and it'll be rolled out very soon.

I'd like to dig into the previous emails you mentioned. Could you email me at edwin@stripe.com?

Re: Kickstarter launches Drip, a Patreon competitor

#32

Post by NicoJuicy »

no1youknowz wrote: post #23
DamnInteresting wrote: post #12

I had an idea for a competitor in the Patreon space a couple of years ago, but with a twist that I feel would have made "patrons" much more comfortable with the whole thing. I even registered a domain, started on some coding, and consulted with some designers. But it quickly became apparent that financial gateways (credit cards, Paypal, etc) are hostile to the idea of allowing me to charge customer A, keep a cut, and…

I was going to write the exact same response. One day I'm going to write a blog post because the overwhelming response has been very hostile. Even when companies advertise that they do it. Here's my experience so far: Adyen. Overwhelmingly hostile to startups. All telephone numbers get routed to support. So if you call sales, someone in support answers. The individual who answers the phone also has very basic knowled…

Cryptocurrency?

Re: Kickstarter launches Drip, a Patreon competitor

#33

Post by mintplant »

wmeredith wrote: post #3

I haven't read the article, but the branding absolutely sucks. When trying to generate income, Drip, is hardly the connotation I'd want. They should have gone with Flood or Tide. Something big and powerful MADE of Drips. I get what they were going for, but it seems like a tone deaf misfire. EDIT: And, as u/aronarduino pointed out elsewhere in this thread, the name is already taken (and the TLD drip.com) by a well est…

I would have suggested "Momentum", positioning it as tackling the part of creator funding that comes after the initial "kickstart".

Re: Kickstarter launches Drip, a Patreon competitor

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Post by abiox »

neaden wrote: post #27
annapurna wrote: post #11

As the article mentions, there are many players in this area and time will tell how Kickstarter leverages their brand to succeed, especially as it is an invitation list only (for now). Some interesting thoughts from Perry Chen (Kickstarter Co-founder and Chairman): “If you look at a lot of companies, it’s COO, CMO, blah, blah, blah,” Chen said. “But look at a museum. You might have a CEO or director, but then you mig…

Those are absolutely awful names for tiers.

surely an intentional thing. i'd be tempted to do the same, honestly.

Re: Kickstarter launches Drip, a Patreon competitor

#35

Post by zanny »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #32
no1youknowz wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to write the exact same response. One day I'm going to write a blog post because the overwhelming response has been very hostile. Even when companies advertise that they do it. Here's my experience so far: Adyen. Overwhelmingly hostile to startups. All telephone numbers get routed to support. So if you call sales, someone in support answers. The individual who answers the phone also has very basic knowled…

Cryptocurrency?

This sounds like the solution, albeit it doesn't necessarily need to be crypto. I'm not sure the rules around it, but letting users "buy" your platform money to then "spend" either at once or recurring on creators who then cash it out makes it so there are only two outside visible exchanges (money coming in to you, and money going out to creators).

The whole area is a minefield of not just corporate support but also regulation, especially internationally.

Re: Kickstarter launches Drip, a Patreon competitor

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Post by zanny »

Personally I am a fan of this only because Kickstarter is a PBC. The most fundamental problem with Patreon is that it is a proprietary web service operated by a for profit company that now controls the incomes of thousands, ranging from hobbyist artists to major productions like Crash Course.

It is like everything that is wrong with Facebook (the lock in from networking effects to a closed ecosystem) but made even worse by making peoples livelihoods depend on it. If there has ever been anything more deserving of if not full decentralization some protection from the controlling interest destroying people on a whim it is Patreon.

The PBC nature of Kickstarter doesn't wholly solve this, not even close, but it implies they at least cannot do unethical things to try to increase revenue on the platform by exploiting its dependent creators. Thats a small step in the right direction.

Re: Kickstarter launches Drip, a Patreon competitor

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Post by chejazi »

wmeredith wrote: post #3

I haven't read the article, but the branding absolutely sucks. When trying to generate income, Drip, is hardly the connotation I'd want. They should have gone with Flood or Tide. Something big and powerful MADE of Drips. I get what they were going for, but it seems like a tone deaf misfire. EDIT: And, as u/aronarduino pointed out elsewhere in this thread, the name is already taken (and the TLD drip.com) by a well est…

Drip also refers to the aftertaste of cocaine in your sinuses.

Re: Kickstarter launches Drip, a Patreon competitor

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Post by bproper »

wmeredith wrote: post #3

I haven't read the article, but the branding absolutely sucks. When trying to generate income, Drip, is hardly the connotation I'd want. They should have gone with Flood or Tide. Something big and powerful MADE of Drips. I get what they were going for, but it seems like a tone deaf misfire. EDIT: And, as u/aronarduino pointed out elsewhere in this thread, the name is already taken (and the TLD drip.com) by a well est…

Kickstarter acquired a startup called Drip last year, and this product was built off that team/idea.

https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/drip-joins-kickstarter

Re: Kickstarter launches Drip, a Patreon competitor

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Post by jacobkg »

zanny wrote: post #36

Personally I am a fan of this only because Kickstarter is a PBC. The most fundamental problem with Patreon is that it is a proprietary web service operated by a for profit company that now controls the incomes of thousands, ranging from hobbyist artists to major productions like Crash Course. It is like everything that is wrong with Facebook (the lock in from networking effects to a closed ecosystem) but made even wo…

PBC = "Public Benefit Corporation"

https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/kickstarter-is-now-a-benefi...

Re: Kickstarter launches Drip, a Patreon competitor

#40

Post by no1youknowz »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #32
no1youknowz wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to write the exact same response. One day I'm going to write a blog post because the overwhelming response has been very hostile. Even when companies advertise that they do it. Here's my experience so far: Adyen. Overwhelmingly hostile to startups. All telephone numbers get routed to support. So if you call sales, someone in support answers. The individual who answers the phone also has very basic knowled…

Cryptocurrency?

Believe it or not. I have looked at this and it's now on my roadmap. As with the business that I am launching, there are additional services to come online. I'll either start my own ICO or using another coin is part of that. Whichever is the path of least resistance!

I have seen that no limit coin can be purchased by Visa and there are stores in the US that take that for physical products.

So as Mike Tyson says: "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

Believe me, I've been punched quite often on this journey of mine. I'll happily investigate every path available.

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