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The end of the housing supply debate (maybe)

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Re: The end of the housing supply debate (maybe)

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This is something I've been trying to understand for a long time. In New York City because of the rent controls it seems like the market rate has diverged alarmingly from the subsidized rents. From my perspective it seems like this propagates the "Tale of Two Cities" and makes it a much wider leap to go from rent-control or subsidized housing to market-rate. In my naive opinion it seems like in a system without all o…

Does anyone know anyone from Starsky robotics? I think it would be interesting to deploy the remote technology used in it's trucks to construction vehicles. Imagine being able to have continuous delivery at construction sites. For example, excavation is a relatively quiet activity that seems like it just requires a back hoe and a dumpster to haul away waste. If we can be able to control these remotely, would we be able to increase the efficiency of construction sites?

Re: The end of the housing supply debate (maybe)

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We don't build housing, builders do. We simply decide what is permitted to happen. We could eliminate restrictions on construction and that would help but the rate of housing growth would still be limited by money available to pay for new housing, which is a lower bound to affordability. It's actually a worse problem than it sounds for, if we're decreasing building restrictions then we're slowing price growth and decreasing the attractiveness of housing to investors. To accelerate affordability, we probably also need to subsidize or at least incentivize then.

That gets to be fairly expensive so where's the money going to come from? My proposal is a national growth tax, whose money is redistributed from areas which don't grow to those which do. That money will be used to pay for infrastructure improvements needed to house those people as well.

Re: The end of the housing supply debate (maybe)

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget about housing for a minute. Would you agree that a speculative boom can cause an increase in demand?

That's not the crazy part. The crazy part is arguing that building additional supply in response to that demand will _increase_ prices.

Yes, I can't see how that could be possible.

Re: The end of the housing supply debate (maybe)

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best way to end a speculative bubble is to crash the price by increasing supply.

...potentially degrading your urban environment in the process. My point is that, if a particular housing market is experiencing a shortage of supply due to a speculative boom, but has sufficient housing to actually house people, then you have two options: tackle the supply side by building more houses, or tackle the demand side by addressing the cause of the speculation (e.g. tax incentives could be encouraging this…

Part of the "degradation" happens because we forgot that we can build up, as well as out, in much of the US

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2015/1/7/americas-suburb...

Re: The end of the housing supply debate (maybe)

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I live in a very interesting area, across the street from me is a different city with housing costs roughly 10x the costs of mine. I am daily confronted with the absurdity of pricing of housing.

In addition as I've watched rents around me rise, and anticipated my own rent rising, I wonder at the expectation that we should continually get less for more. My house isn't getting any newer after all.

If my employer decided to cut my pay by 10 or 20% every year there's no way I would stay, and yet I must admit that I have tolerated this behavior from my landlords.

Unlike commodities or consumables, for which unrestrained markets influenced by collective expectations of supply and demand are not routinely shocking, the expectation that my house, in which I already live, and for which I have been paying consistently for years, suddenly being much more expensive ... well that feels like a hole in the social contract. A problem to be remedied by legislation if the governing societal expectations do not naturally lead to a different equilibrium.

What if the expectation was that if you let someone live in your home you are granting them significant rights, significant stability, and are assuming significant risk of losing money? This set of expectations is well known elsewhere, but not so much where I live.

So while I am willing to be convinced that a humane and equitable improvement to a cities housing situation can be achieved by building more housing, I would hate for legislative restrictions to be ignored as complimentary and beneficial efforts.

Re: The end of the housing supply debate (maybe)

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This claim keeps popping up. I’ve yet to see it include a citation. Maybe today will be different.

It’s in this very article. What other outcome could happen?

People who would, instead of eg living in SF, have lived in Oakland, SSF, San Mateo etc instead move to SF and nothing changes and/or net increased rent results? Continuing to allow the peninsula to add jobs and dump its housing problem on SF obviously doesn't help priced out SF residents. And in SF, at least some of those higher end housing projects remove housing first.

Nothing in economics says it's obvious without observation or experiment that adding expensive housing in SF helps affordability for lower income brackets.

Re: The end of the housing supply debate (maybe)

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I live in a very interesting area, across the street from me is a different city with housing costs roughly 10x the costs of mine. I am daily confronted with the absurdity of pricing of housing. In addition as I've watched rents around me rise, and anticipated my own rent rising, I wonder at the expectation that we should continually get less for more. My house isn't getting any newer after all. If my employer decide…

How did you manage to find a housing price gradient that sharp? East Palo Alto vs. Palo Alto or something?

Re: The end of the housing supply debate (maybe)

#39

This doesn't seem to address high end housing vs (unsubsidized) low end housing. Is a hundred new units with marble countertops as good, holistically, as a hundred with laminate? I think a lot of the opposition revolves around frustration with developers building luxury when the intent of the given policy was low or mid market units, combined with a belief that units targeted at the needy market segment would be the…

The point is if nobody builds the nicer dwelling, the person with the money that could have afforded the higher price will just turf out a lower-earning person living in a worse house, because the main feature of the house is that it provides access to the occupant's job.

Re: The end of the housing supply debate (maybe)

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the crazy part. The crazy part is arguing that building additional supply in response to that demand will _increase_ prices.

Yes, I can't see how that could be possible.

By fueling the boom? The greater the supply, the bigger the phenomenon, the more people it pulls in.

Notice there are not a lot of speculative booms in things the world only has three of.

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