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'Zombie ant' brains left intact by fungal parasite

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Re: 'Zombie ant' brains left intact by fungal parasite

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One thing I wonder about is - why would it evolve to make the ants go away from the anthill? Surely it would be best for spreading the fungus to make them go to the anthill and die there? It seems more like a quarantine mechanism from ants POV. The fungus would spread faster if the ant continued as usual till it died, or stayed in the anthill. But it also helps the fungus in a way - if the ants died in the anthill th…

I believe the other ants recognize that the individual is infected and forcibly dispel her from the colony, which is a defense mechanism the ants likely evolved. At least that's what's portrayed in the Planet Earth documentary, which spends a few minutes focusing on this fungus. The fungus could have evolved to be more sneaky so the ants wouldn't recognize the infection until it was too late, but I imagine it's easier to just have the ant go somewhere high up instead.

It certainly can look like a co-evolved compromise, though it formed through two competing species. I think what you're getting at is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen_hypothesis

Re: 'Zombie ant' brains left intact by fungal parasite

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>"Normally in animals, behavior is controlled by the brain sending signals to the muscles, but our results suggest that the parasite is controlling host behavior peripherally," Hughes said. "Almost like a puppeteer pulls the strings to make a marionette move, the fungus controls the ant's muscles to manipulate the host's legs and mandibles." Probably the most "And I Must Scream" moment in mother nature. Imagine a hum…

I had another thought which might be even more terrifying. I couldn't find anything suggesting the fungus cuts off or disrupts the ant's actual nerve endings, and from video you can see towards the end that the ant moves in an unnatural, jerky way, not like a normal ant. This could be just because a fungus is bad at acting like an ant, but what if it's also because the ant is actively trying to fight it?!

I don't think this is especially likely, the fungus requires use of the ant's nervous system and sensory processing to figure out where a high up place is, so it definitely needs to have some significant control over the ant's brain, so it could suppress motor neuron function in the central nervous system. But still a very terrifying idea, to have some control over your muscles but the fungus is just overpowering you!

Re: 'Zombie ant' brains left intact by fungal parasite

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post #30

One thing I wonder about is - why would it evolve to make the ants go away from the anthill? Surely it would be best for spreading the fungus to make them go to the anthill and die there? It seems more like a quarantine mechanism from ants POV. The fungus would spread faster if the ant continued as usual till it died, or stayed in the anthill. But it also helps the fungus in a way - if the ants died in the anthill th…

I believe the other ants recognize that the individual is infected and forcibly dispel her from the colony, which is a defense mechanism the ants likely evolved. At least that's what's portrayed in the Planet Earth documentary, which spends a few minutes focusing on this fungus. The fungus could have evolved to be more sneaky so the ants wouldn't recognize the infection until it was too late, but I imagine it's easie…

Interesting. I meant maybe the "code" to go far from anthill is in all ants, but only activates (by "design") in sick ones.

    if (sick)
      goAway();
Seems like a pretty sensible behavior to evolve in social insect.

And fungus just make them stop by destroying the correct muscles.

EDIT: and there's also another fungus, that makes the parasitic fungus sterile, so the fungus want to be spread away.

https://phys.org/news/2012-05-zombie-ant-fungus-reveals.html...

Damn biology is complicated :)

EDIT2: and they've checked and the fungus can't grow in the anthill for some reason.

Re: 'Zombie ant' brains left intact by fungal parasite

#35
There are wasps that inject their larvae into caterpillars (and other animals). The larvae eat the host alive, but are careful to avoid vital organs. The wasp or larva/pupa inject/secrete something that controls the caterpillar, and soon the larva burrow out of the host. The caterpillar ends up spinning silk to nurture the larva after they come out, and defends them until it starves to death.

https://www.wired.com/2014/10/absurd-creature-week-glyptapan...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitoid_wasp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMG-LWyNcAs

Re: 'Zombie ant' brains left intact by fungal parasite

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This might sound crazy, i'm already sorry. Though given that the current theory seems to be that the fungus controls the ant like an exoskeleton propelling it up a tree without sensory data, maybe not so much, but there's something you will inevitably encounter when studying the implications of meditation and the traditions that engaged in it. In that living beings are supposed to have more than "one brain", in the case of a human being along the spinal column, several on the sympathetic nervous system and several on the parasympathetic nervous system.

Headbrain: associates, upper spinal column: movement, coccyx: instinct, solar plexus/heart: emotion, sexual region: drive. Each is supposed to function self-sufficiently, contemplates & reacts to the environment, at a certain velocity. For instance if one accidentally touches a hot-stove, all react without ones explicit decision or will: instinct -> emotion -> movement -> thought. The act they once called "mindfulness" or "self-observation" takes these impulses into account.

Re: 'Zombie ant' brains left intact by fungal parasite

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Sometimes, when you think something is really creepy, some new knowledge comes along that makes you think, "ok I thought it ws creepy before, but that was actually nothing compared to this." I think if I were a researcher in this topic I would have nightmares.

Re: 'Zombie ant' brains left intact by fungal parasite

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>"Normally in animals, behavior is controlled by the brain sending signals to the muscles, but our results suggest that the parasite is controlling host behavior peripherally," Hughes said. "Almost like a puppeteer pulls the strings to make a marionette move, the fungus controls the ant's muscles to manipulate the host's legs and mandibles." Probably the most "And I Must Scream" moment in mother nature. Imagine a hum…

I was always a little disappointed I had so many friends get into Harry Potter when I was younger. Animorphs explores this idea in depth, especially for a kids novel. So in depth that you eventually feel that the parasite controlling other beings can be justified in their war. It is still a kids series so many of the books are filler, but the beginnings, chronicles, and ending are very deep even when looked at throug…

Animorphs affected me in a major way while growing up. Morphing into other animals involved getting into their minds and feeling their feelings. Sensations and emotions and instinct and reflexes . . . Spent some nice afternoons on distant planets as different beings :D

Re: 'Zombie ant' brains left intact by fungal parasite

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>"Normally in animals, behavior is controlled by the brain sending signals to the muscles, but our results suggest that the parasite is controlling host behavior peripherally," Hughes said. "Almost like a puppeteer pulls the strings to make a marionette move, the fungus controls the ant's muscles to manipulate the host's legs and mandibles." Probably the most "And I Must Scream" moment in mother nature. Imagine a hum…

I had another thought which might be even more terrifying. I couldn't find anything suggesting the fungus cuts off or disrupts the ant's actual nerve endings, and from video you can see towards the end that the ant moves in an unnatural, jerky way, not like a normal ant. This could be just because a fungus is bad at acting like an ant, but what if it's also because the ant is actively trying to fight it ?! I don't th…

One conceptual reality to consider is that the ants on the surface of any hill are not quite as sentient as the queen. The survival of a queen that produces viable progeny is paramount to the survival of the species and, at a more granular level, the bloodline of the individual colony.

The queen is dependent on the drones being as obedient as your fingers and tongue might be to your brain, with your brain being the queen organ, for your hundred(s of) pound(s of) tissue. We know that the surface ants support the colony, which supports the queen, and overall, the biomass of the ant colony is less than any single mammal, and we know that any signaling is provoked by scent, based on attack behaviors at a minimum.

Meaning that reaction to scent wafts through colonies quickly, engaging behavior as quickly as it is noticed. Ants seem to drop everything, and move, unanimously, when a signal is given. The signals must be pretty complex, with pointers hooked into fixed physical actions on some level. The ants probably don't think very much about what they should do next, as much as constantly listen or smell for a prevailing vote on what to do. Attack, forage, assemble into a formation, wait for further instructions, and so on.

In ant studies, an ant colony is segmented into chambers, each having odors, the most conspicuous being the colony's waste dump, so you have to figure that the colony survives, and expects the surface soldiers to go permanently missing once in a while, when scent signaling is disrupted.

These fungal organisms probably interact with a degree of equilibrium, when exposed to healthy ant colonies. Usually a parasitic relationship with a host is balanced to not completely destroy the host population, according to an almost intuitive self-preservation instinct among parasites. So the fungus probably only disrupts soldiers at the periphery of the colony, without destroying the core of the hill.

You can get a sense of this, based on the fact that the affected ants are driven away from the hill, toward environments more opportunistic to the fungus. If a version of the fungus were to grow opportunistically within the colony, it might invade and drive the ants to extinction, which might turn out to be, in effect, suicidal for the fungus too, and not just the ant.

The colony is really the organism, and the soldiers serve it, abiding by prevailing odors, likely without very much free will. Or at least as much free will as your arm has, to reflexively recoil from a burn, or lash out at some unassessed threat when reacting in fear.

This fungus probably is basically "numbing" the arm, but the wild part of seeing your arm suddenly behave with a mind of its own, would be an observation from the perspective of the queen, and is probably more or less like seeing a junkie or crackhead stumble around like a zombie, as far as the colony-as-organism is concerned.

So, if the ant is "fighting" the "will" of the fungus, it's probably more likely that the ant is receiving strong scent signals compelling it to act a certain way, and the sauce that the fungus is producing as an override to the biological signals in the ant's circulatory system (remembering that insect circulatory systems are primitive, and probably easily hackable fluid systems) might be weak, or the infectious load might be light, resulting in a noisy, conflicted signal at the neurological level. Maybe like a junkie, not completely ruined by dope.

tl;dr soldier ants follow their nose without a whole lot of agency, because they are born to serve the colony, selflessly. Thus they likely are unconcerned by a "loss of self," and perhaps might be more emotionally invested in failing the colony, if soldier ants have emotions.

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