The advertising industry has been living a lie
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Re: The advertising industry has been living a lie
#32As I understand it, advertising is seen in terms of acquisition cost (and ROI more broadly). If ROI is a positive, the campaign is a success.
However, this binary view is incredibly limited, and thus leaves significant room for rent-seekers who add no real value to the process. These rent-seekers will leach away value until it is at the minimum acceptable value. If the (legitimate) advertising industry can cut out the fat, it stands to significantly improve results for its clients. Until those clients demand improvements, however, these costly changes will not be implemented and the industry will continue on.
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#33> But that's not really how people consume media. Most people don't spend time on thousands of websites. I found it difficult to read past that bullet point. It's such an obviously stupid mischaracterization of what "the long tail" is that it makes the rest of the arguments suspect.
I am not familiar with the "long tail" book or the particular internet theory, but I used to work for a company which owned an actual windsurfing website. They only sold advertising to what they called "endemic" advertisers, which means they are of the industry that supports the niche; in this case windsurfing. They dealt directly with the advertisers. The reasoning was that "non-endemic" ads would sour their allegia…
I could likely come up with a few other reasons given the time, but I think this makes the point decently.
EDIT: Also, remember the incentives of the many mainstream high-traffic sites who are pushing this narrative about advertising.
Re: The advertising industry has been living a lie
#34What a terribly frustrating article. 1. It doesn't satisfactorily make the case that targeting the audience rather than the topic-related websites doesn't work or make sense. (I'd argue that a deeper problem is that most simple online ads just don't work, for most people. And otherwise, if you're actually susceptible to online advertising, then actually getting served ads tightly targeted to your interests does make…
Judging from what kind of targeted advertising I get, pretty much any method would be better. Topic method would at least made sites I visit less annoying. I am totally wanting to investigate anti bed wetting method (or other kid related targeted ad) to buy when I am visiting sci-fi web or gaming web page page or ... get the idea. Judging from experience if people I talked about it with causually, I am not alone nor…
I started paying attention to the ads about six months ago, because I'd manage to notice how poorly targeted they were when I did see them. They are terrible.
I think the best targeted ads have been from a company that sells barn doors. Really, they are in fact selling barn doors online. That's a very compelling ad for me. Except, you know, I already have doors for the barns. I am not actually in the market for new barn doors.
I don't actually need a bra, free for thirty days. I don't have breasts. The missus doesn't use my tablet and actually has her own network connection as I tend to saturate mine sharing Linux isos and stuff like that.
I don't need a used car. I have more than adequate automotive sources already. I'd buy a used car, but it would not be a Toyota that has just come off lease. Maybe try selling me a 900S Turbo from 1992?
I don't have any major medical problems, trying to sell me drugs is pretty silly. I don't need insurance, I'm already well insured. I'm not concerned about paying the least amount for insurance, I'm concerned with the best coverage and service. An ad for, "We are dirt cheep but just shoot you if you're involved in an accident insurance" is not very interesting.
They have vast amounts of information on me. Why not try to sell me a new plow? I'm kinda in the market for one. Why not something to do with hunting, fishing, gardening, or food preservation? Not one ad has has any of those things. They know I own a Kubota, why not advertise some new implements?
I don't get it... I'll buy stuff. I'm more than happy to buy stuff. I love buying stuff. I buy stuff I don't need - all the damned time. Yet, literally no ads have compelled me to click and make a purchase. I have clicked, I just haven't found anything worth buying. I've never bought anything from a placed Internet ad, except when I was searching specifically for that product.
Something is broken.
Re: The advertising industry has been living a lie
#35Re: The advertising industry has been living a lie
#36What a terribly frustrating article. 1. It doesn't satisfactorily make the case that targeting the audience rather than the topic-related websites doesn't work or make sense. (I'd argue that a deeper problem is that most simple online ads just don't work, for most people. And otherwise, if you're actually susceptible to online advertising, then actually getting served ads tightly targeted to your interests does make…
Judging from what kind of targeted advertising I get, pretty much any method would be better. Topic method would at least made sites I visit less annoying. I am totally wanting to investigate anti bed wetting method (or other kid related targeted ad) to buy when I am visiting sci-fi web or gaming web page page or ... get the idea. Judging from experience if people I talked about it with causually, I am not alone nor…
Re: The advertising industry has been living a lie
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would hope that there would be massive backlash if we as a country tried to put advertising on our currency, because that's insane. It would be a fairly fitting illustration of what's wrong with modern society, though.
Brawndo would be the ideal thing to advertise on cash, how about it Elon/Larry/Bill?
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#38> But that's not really how people consume media. Most people don't spend time on thousands of websites. I found it difficult to read past that bullet point. It's such an obviously stupid mischaracterization of what "the long tail" is that it makes the rest of the arguments suspect.
previously, companies couldn't focus on the long tail because there were many limitations. For example. say you want to sell sodas, there are only so many types you can fit on a truck / shelf, etc. Then came the internet, so the idea was you could chase the long tail and sell xyz soda that only .01% of the market would drink.
the problem is, people tend to do things that fit Dirichlet distributions, and a consequence of that is double jeapardy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy_(marketing)
the part in the link thats important is that brands with lower market share aka 'niche' products, people also tend to buy less frequently.
I see this all the time dealing with people. someone will be like 'i love x, its the bset, i dont understand why people dont love x so much, people who love y aren't dedicated as i am'. (y being the mass liked thing). but when you crunch the numbers, almost always people who like y consume y more than the zealot x. even more damning, the majority of the time the x zealot actually consumes y more than x.
Re: The advertising industry has been living a lie
#39What a terribly frustrating article. 1. It doesn't satisfactorily make the case that targeting the audience rather than the topic-related websites doesn't work or make sense. (I'd argue that a deeper problem is that most simple online ads just don't work, for most people. And otherwise, if you're actually susceptible to online advertising, then actually getting served ads tightly targeted to your interests does make…
> It doesn't satisfactorily make the case that targeting the audience rather than the topic-related websites doesn't work or make sense. I've been saying this needs investigating for a long time. From my understanding of things like triggers, priming, threshold for action, etc -- you're probably doing yourself a disservice having out of context advertising. When you advertise in context, you get constructive interfer…
The ways I've personally seen this happen mostly boil down to marketing people with absolutely no understanding of statistics showing "metrics" to their customer, which "show" that they're indeed doing a great job. But since the customer has no fucking clue about statistics either (why should they, that's why they're hiring a marketing company, right?), they believe that - and they have no direct way to verify the effectiveness anyway. I.e. incompetent party selling bullshit to another incompetent party, but as long as both parties believe things are going in a good direction, money changes hands, and everyone is happy.
And that's just double incompetence. I suppose you can excuse people doing divination from whale charts. But how many similar things happen when the marketing provider party just straight exploits their clueless customers?
Also some thoughts on this topic from the times of Optimizely debacle: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10873226.
Re: The advertising industry has been living a lie
#40> thousands of websites.
The author of this has absolutely no idea how modern advertising works.