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Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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I've been using the Bootstrap 4 beta for a couple weeks building a side project ( https://nanagram.co ) and I must say, it's been great to use. The built in utilities for responsive views and spacing are especially useful. Made optimizing the homepage for multiple screen sizes super fast and not painful at all. The Beta 1 had pretty good documentation and seemed pretty mature as well. Looking forward to upgrading to…

Your side project nanagram reminds me of a similar service, Pidgeonly, which allowed people to text photos to inmates that heard on an NPR podcast -- http://www.npr.org/2015/03/25/395238624/ex-inmate-uses-his-s...

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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post #4

I know I am going to be downvoted so hard, but really it's very easy to build you own css these days, css frameworks look an easy solution for beginning your project but they become a burden gradually as your project grows

Most users simply don't care whether a framework or hand customized code is used anywhere in the stack. This includes the front end all the way down to the assembler shoveling bits through a processor.

Why should somebody who is technically proficient or even highly skilled in developing on the backend bother with becoming equally skilled enough on the frontend to not "need" these frameworks? Especially when it matters very little.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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post #4

I know I am going to be downvoted so hard, but really it's very easy to build you own css these days, css frameworks look an easy solution for beginning your project but they become a burden gradually as your project grows

But I'm not a web developer and I don't want to build my own anything if there's a professional plug-n-play solution already available.

Bootstrap just works, so I stay with it. I don't even want to learn the new one because BS3 already solves my problems.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#34
http://tachyons.io/ + Bootstrap make a great combo. Especially if using a build system like webpack.

Bootstrap has a nice grid system (although the actual CSS standard is amazing now) and handles basic elements like buttons well. For everything else, Tachyon's component helpers make layouts really easy and fast.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Congrats on shipping the 2nd Beta!

My favorite part of Bootstrap 4 is actually its newly included CSS reset Reboot [0]. It's built on Normalize, but also provides a set of very compelling improvements like making use of the native font stack, a bunch of very sensible spacing and layout adjustments, and built-in optimizations for touch responsiveness (removing the 300ms delay). I'm definitely going to be trying it out on my next project regardless of whether or not it uses Bootstrap itself.

With that said, I don't mean to rain on the parade, but I've been gradually deviating away from using CSS frameworks for my projects, not because I don't _want_ to use them, but rather because most CSS frameworks don't seem to mix naturally with component-oriented CSS-in-JS libraries like glamorous [1], which is my preferred way to work with styling these days.

If I do include a CSS framework, I end up having to use a mix of custom component-scoped styles and global CSS classes from these frameworks, and those CSS classes may have margins and cascading effects that reach into children. This breaks component-level style isolation, and makes the styling of children much harder to reason about, which defeats much of the purpose of using component-oriented CSS to begin with.

What I really want to do is to import styles from a well designed CSS framework _as a JS module_ (but I'm willing to accept anything that's properly namespaced and isolated, like CSS Modules), and compose them with my own styles without worrying about a polluted global namespace or styles from parents reaching into children/vice versa or fighting with specificity issues.

So far, I haven't found any CSS frameworks that fit the bill, but Tachyons [2] seems like it could be close enough (by emphasizing modular, low specificity, shallowly cascading styles) that I could maybe just run it through a CSS to JS compiler like native-css [3] and import its classes and compose them as I would with any other JS style object. This is something I'm going to experiment with soon enough, but I'd love to hear if others have any thoughts/experiences they'd like to share on using CSS frameworks with component-oriented CSS.

[0] https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.0/content/reboot/

[1] https://glamorous.rocks/

[2] http://tachyons.io/

[3] https://github.com/raphamorim/native-css

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#36

I've been using the Bootstrap 4 beta for a couple weeks building a side project ( https://nanagram.co ) and I must say, it's been great to use. The built in utilities for responsive views and spacing are especially useful. Made optimizing the homepage for multiple screen sizes super fast and not painful at all. The Beta 1 had pretty good documentation and seemed pretty mature as well. Looking forward to upgrading to…

You have a f` floating on your landing page, under the photo next to "Never miss a photo"

Well, F... :)

Thanks for pointing that out. Will get it fixed.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#38

I've been using the Bootstrap 4 beta for a couple weeks building a side project ( https://nanagram.co ) and I must say, it's been great to use. The built in utilities for responsive views and spacing are especially useful. Made optimizing the homepage for multiple screen sizes super fast and not painful at all. The Beta 1 had pretty good documentation and seemed pretty mature as well. Looking forward to upgrading to…

Have you considered using a guilt-driven pricing schedule?

"Emotionally Distant Grandchild" , "Good Grandchild", "Nana's #1"

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#39

I've been using the Bootstrap 4 beta for a couple weeks building a side project ( https://nanagram.co ) and I must say, it's been great to use. The built in utilities for responsive views and spacing are especially useful. Made optimizing the homepage for multiple screen sizes super fast and not painful at all. The Beta 1 had pretty good documentation and seemed pretty mature as well. Looking forward to upgrading to…

I signed up for your service. Do you have any competitors in this space? I thought the experience overall was very simple. Are you thinking about adding options for the prints? For example, glossy v. matte or 4x6 v 5x7? Edit: I see you replied to someone else and I cannot tell if the service is actually live (as in my card is going to be charged and photos are going to ship).

It’s live, and thanks for signing up! The photos you text in will ship in a month from now.

We’re definitly going to add other options in time. Right now we’re trying to get the MVP right with 4x6 glossy prints.

There’s a few other services that let you send postcards (expensive) or use apps to let you grab pictures from your phone. The apps tend to have more friction than just sending an MMS and to my knowledge, we’re the only ones that let you add the captions for context for your grandparent.

Would love feedback as you use it more. We’re pretth fast at building stuff and love hearing ideas from our customers.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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It's an interesting time for web development in general. As the industry moves towards standardized web components, CSS frameworks--like Bootstrap, Foundation, Bulma, etc.--will fit differently into the puzzle. The demand for CSS frameworks will persist, but more of the implementation details will be abstracted away within components.
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