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Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by pizza234 »

A few notes:

  - this is the first release supporting Surface devices out of the box (due the recent `linux-firmware` package)
  - people using PPA may have some troubles, since without tweaking, PPAs with obsolete keys are rejected
  - ack grep is not included (yet?), due to build issues with perl

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by asfdsfggtfd »

roenxi wrote: post #7

Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

Hang on did they drop Mir?

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by revelation »

vmp wrote: post #14

> ifupdown has been deprecated in favor of netplan and is no longer present on new installs [...] > Given that ifupdown is no longer installed by default, its commands will not be present: ifup and ifdown are thus unavailable, replaced by ip link set $device up and ip link set $device down. Sad to see this go; I always use ifup, ifdown and ifconfig. Yes, they're old and clunky tools but in a way they are the staple o…

This is just such a shambles.

Great idea number 1: let's put all the functionality into one command line tool, and we'call it ip for ... "internet protocol"? Why is this ip tool managing my ethernet network card?

Great idea number 2: for this powerful swiss army knife, only a special syntax will do where we repeat the name of an argument before the argument value. To make sure no one can use it's functionality with less than 5 invocations, we'll have a hierarchical help menu that literally outputs BNF.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by krisgenre »

roenxi wrote: post #7

Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

Oh! thanks for the comment about screenshot. I was thinking on upgrading to 17.10 (still on 14.04) and one of my most handy app is Shutter. Looks like it doesn't work on wayland - https://bugs.launchpad.net/shutter/+bug/1502263

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #9
roenxi wrote: post #7

Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

Not to mention HiDPI problems and serious issues with the proprietary nvidia driver. The situation is improving all the time though and hopefully this should mark the beginning of some good times for Wayland. More choice is always a good thing. Of course, the option is right there on the login screen to start an X session instead, if Wayland doesn't work for you.

That's interesting, I was hoping for some improvements in HiDPI support with the shift to Wayland.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

asfdsfggtfd wrote: post #32
roenxi wrote: post #7

Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

Hang on did they drop Mir?

Yes.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by randallsquared »

roenxi wrote: post #7

Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

I've been using Wayland (with nouveau) in the Artful beta for over a month, and screenshots haven't been an issue... I didn't notice anything was supposed to be wrong, there.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by reacweb »

angrygoat wrote: post #18
roenxi wrote: post #7

Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

With Fedora jumping over nearly a year ago to Wayland as default in F25, and now Ubuntu in a non-LTS release, hopefully we'll see a tipping point where software (especially third-party/proprietary software) simply must work well on Wayland in order to have a user base. Once we've got an Ubuntu LTS and a RHEL/CentOS release out there with Wayland by default, X11 ought to rapidly become a thing of the past. There's Xwa…

I have bought a new desktop this spring. The first thing I did was configuring wake on lan (in France, we have 7 days to cancel a purchase). The second one was to configure ssh and gnome to be able to administer it remotely (line DisallowTCP=false in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf).

I use Linux at work since 1999 and I have used a local display less than 1% of the time.

An application that does not work remotely does not exist for me.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by alexseman »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #8
roryrjb wrote: post #2

Obviously this is significant because this is the first release with Gnome 3 instead of Unity. I actually liked Unity a lot but also like Gnome 3, what are people's thoughts?

I've been running the Artful beta as my daily OS but was having some weird scaling issues with certain apps on my 4K displays. Chrome particularly looked "fuzzy". Decided to give Linux Mint Cinnamon a week back and so far couldn't be happier with it. I know Cinnamon is available on Ubuntu too, I'm surprised it's not more popular as a DE as it's very polished.

I agree with Cinnamon being polished and deserving much more attention than it currently gets - but what stops me from using it is the impossibility of arranging the virtual desktops (workspaces) vertically Gnome style and the refusal of the Cinnamon devs to implement that - I for one cannot get myself to horizontal workspaces, especially after using Gnome. Some extensions did provide this in Cinnamon but the functionality appears half-baked and the extensions break after each Cinnamon release.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by joelthelion »

roenxi wrote: post #7

Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

I've been using Gnome on Wayland as my primary desktop on Arch and Fedora for several months if not a year. It's a marked improvement over Gnome/Xorg, and most of the issues have now been resolved.

You might need to find new ways to accomplish a few tasks, though. But I can attest it works.

Edit: fix desktop/compositor confusion

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