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General Motors Is Going All Electric

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Re: General Motors Is Going All Electric

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I'm impressed that the American car companies have embraced electric technology so quickly. I'm also disappointed that the Japanese companies are falling behind. The Prius was a very innovative car when it was first released 20 years ago (that's right, the first Prius was a 1997 model!), but it is falling behind. The Nissan Leaf is just not competitive anymore, and I see no sign of a newer version of it with better r…

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Re: General Motors Is Going All Electric

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I don't see how this can work in anything but a commuter-centric car. Want to drive from LA to SF or from Austin to Tulsa? Too bad. Want to drive an electric, loaded pickup from Austin to Dallas? Also not going to happen. Unless they make some significant technological strides, nations larger than Norway are going to take a serious economic hit.

I plotted this out (PlugShare app) and with DC fast chargers or Superchargers it's totally doable (would hate to do it with just 6.6W L2s).

And that's the great part. Things are improving, and the rate of improvement is quickening too.

Though I don't own a Tesla, they're to be commended for bringing long-range EV travel to reality.

Re: General Motors Is Going All Electric

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If fully electric cars don't quite work for your needs because of the range or the charge times, I recommend looking at the Chevy Volt. I think the Voltec drivetrain is a great design. It drives like an EV, even when the engine is active, but eliminates range anxiety. The integration of the electric motors and gas engine is really good.

With my driving pattern, I end up driving on pre-charged electric 50% of the time and gas about 50% of the time. On gas, the car gets the advertised 42mpg.

Re: General Motors Is Going All Electric

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post #22

I'm impressed that the American car companies have embraced electric technology so quickly. I'm also disappointed that the Japanese companies are falling behind. The Prius was a very innovative car when it was first released 20 years ago (that's right, the first Prius was a 1997 model!), but it is falling behind. The Nissan Leaf is just not competitive anymore, and I see no sign of a newer version of it with better r…

> People who park on the street have no realistic way to charge their cars at their homes Perhaps there could be combined parking meters and charging stations. You would pay a certain amount of money if you just wanted to park and you would pay more if you wanted to charge your car too.

Those are slowly beginning to pop up in more places. It possibly the most common charger style you see popping up in garages and streets in major cities.

Something I find interesting: There are cities investigating adding chargers that blend in to lamp posts (especially historic lamp posts where adding meters would be unwanted in a historic neighborhood).

Re: General Motors Is Going All Electric

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I'm impressed that the American car companies have embraced electric technology so quickly. I'm also disappointed that the Japanese companies are falling behind. The Prius was a very innovative car when it was first released 20 years ago (that's right, the first Prius was a 1997 model!), but it is falling behind. The Nissan Leaf is just not competitive anymore, and I see no sign of a newer version of it with better r…

> The Nissan Leaf is just not competitive anymore, and I see no sign of a newer version of it with better range. Depends on your needs. My Leaf has been incredible. I paid $5k for an older one off lease and it gets me round trip to work/school/running errands for essentially zero marginal cost. People are stuck in an ICE mindset where they can't imagine a car being useful with less than 400 miles range. But the reali…

This is all well and good if you're in a two-car household, but we only have one car and we do pretty regularly do longer road trips, e.g. to go skiing. Even with a 240mi Bolt those trips could be awkward.

Re: General Motors Is Going All Electric

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post #8

I don't see how this can work in anything but a commuter-centric car. Want to drive from LA to SF or from Austin to Tulsa? Too bad. Want to drive an electric, loaded pickup from Austin to Dallas? Also not going to happen. Unless they make some significant technological strides, nations larger than Norway are going to take a serious economic hit.

You've heard of Tesla right?

Re: General Motors Is Going All Electric

#37

If fully electric cars don't quite work for your needs because of the range or the charge times, I recommend looking at the Chevy Volt. I think the Voltec drivetrain is a great design. It drives like an EV, even when the engine is active, but eliminates range anxiety. The integration of the electric motors and gas engine is really good. With my driving pattern, I end up driving on pre-charged electric 50% of the time…

My problem is seats. Ideally I want a vehicle that sits 8 people (minimum is 7) -- and not cost a small fortune. So, for the time being electrics are out of the running for me. I'll check back in 10 years when most of my kids have moved out.

Re: General Motors Is Going All Electric

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are embracing it now, that's mostly because Tesla has been testing the grounds for the rest. Don't forget that GM had not only terminated all leases then went out of their way to crush all their EV1s[1]. Like a public execution to show that electric cars are bad. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F

The Chevy Volt has been around for as long as Tesla (Roadster) has been available to the public. Revenge of the Electric Car [2] is a great follow-up to Who Killed the Electric Car. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge_of_the_Electric_Car

To be clear, I think the Volt is relevant because it's a plug-in series-hybrid that drives like an EV: it drives on battery power while available, and then uses the engine mostly as a generator. It came out in 2011 and I would imagine that it gave GM a great testbed to learn more about electric drivetrains (than they knew from the EV1) before putting out the Bolt.

Re: General Motors Is Going All Electric

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I'm impressed that the American car companies have embraced electric technology so quickly. I'm also disappointed that the Japanese companies are falling behind. The Prius was a very innovative car when it was first released 20 years ago (that's right, the first Prius was a 1997 model!), but it is falling behind. The Nissan Leaf is just not competitive anymore, and I see no sign of a newer version of it with better r…

I think you will see good electrics coming from Japan. The e-class racing teams have been doing great work, as have their f-class. They are certainly capable of holding their own. They also have some good hybrids that will make their way to personal vehicles.

Re: General Motors Is Going All Electric

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> The Nissan Leaf is just not competitive anymore, and I see no sign of a newer version of it with better range. Depends on your needs. My Leaf has been incredible. I paid $5k for an older one off lease and it gets me round trip to work/school/running errands for essentially zero marginal cost. People are stuck in an ICE mindset where they can't imagine a car being useful with less than 400 miles range. But the reali…

This is all well and good if you're in a two-car household, but we only have one car and we do pretty regularly do longer road trips, e.g. to go skiing. Even with a 240mi Bolt those trips could be awkward.

Then get a PHEV. I've had my Volt for almost a year now and although I don't drive a ton, I've managed to get about 80% of my driving done on pure electric. The other 20% is road trips where I still get ~40-45 mpg.
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