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Re: Dumb Things Camera Companies are Still Doing

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Post by jaggederest »

tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #21
askafriend wrote: post #7

I could only imagine if Apple took all of their camera expertise from the iPhone and all of their existing Chip expertise and all of their Operating Systems expertise to create a Semi-Pro Mirrorless camera. Imagine full iOS integration, super fast A-11 Bionic chip (same as iPhone), high throughput wireless components, custom OS (like WatchOS), developer API, W2 chip for Bluetooth pairing, OLED screen, and beautiful l…

Sounds like an iPhone with a bigger camera chip. I don’t think Apple will venture into dedicated camera equipment. The iPhone camera is one of the big selling points and keeps people upgrading. Apple will not sacrifice their cash cow for a comparatively niche market. A dedicated device also goes against the unification that Apple seems to pursue.

Especially considering that they're delving into multiple cameras, phased array cameras would let them create 'virtual' apertures the size of the phone back, for example.

I would very much enjoy playing with something along those lines.

Re: Dumb Things Camera Companies are Still Doing

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Post by ioulian »

clra wrote: post #6

Great article. I was hoping that the author would add something about the UIs of these cameras. The bodies of modern DSLRs are jampacked with every kind of knob, control, button, dial, and dongle that you can possibly think of. To a large extent, that's kind of the whole point — these cameras are for professionals and professionals ostensibly need to be able to adjust every aspect of their picture. But in practice, 9…

> The bodies of modern DSLRs are jampacked with every kind of knob, control, button, dial, and dongle that you can possibly think of.

That's what I actually like on the more "expensive" camera's, the ability to control everything just with single click/rotation.

I'm mostly shooting manual, on my Canon 5D I have a dial for apperture, smaller dial for shutter speed and a knob for the focus point(s). When I used Canon 500D from my friend, I couldn't use it in manual as this requires you to push one button, to then change the shutter speed with a dial (the same one that controls the apperture (or vice versa I can't remember anymore)).

But I think canon is doing it alright as the "entry" level DSLR's like 500D are meant for normal users who just want a point and click camera for most of the time, and don't need that many knobs and dials. While the professional versions have a lot of controls.

But then again, this all goes to personal preference, and most users will buy a camera that they like to use, with or without many controls. I haven't seen anyone with a 5D saying "I'm not happy with total control of my camera", but I heard more people say "Damn, I wish you could change this value much faster and not go to the touchscreen"

Re: Dumb Things Camera Companies are Still Doing

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Post by dharma1 »

jrimbault wrote: post #26
Steve44 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of the problems relate to the experience of the person behind the camera. Often you can see the choppiness when things are moving. That to me looks like they are using a high shutter speed which is inappropriate for cine work. In still photography if you take a picture of a waterfall on a bright day at 1/1000 you'll see every crisp drop, shooting at 1/30th will give a little bit of smoothing motion blur…

Maybe someone here can answer my question: During panning shots (horizontal, vertical), in recent films the image is blurry and uncomfortable (for me). Similar panning shots in earlier films seem cripser and more "comfortable". Is there a technical reason (shutter speed fashion) ? Or is it in my head ?

http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/global-rolling-shutter

Re: Dumb Things Camera Companies are Still Doing

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Post by newsbinator »

askafriend wrote: post #7

I could only imagine if Apple took all of their camera expertise from the iPhone and all of their existing Chip expertise and all of their Operating Systems expertise to create a Semi-Pro Mirrorless camera. Imagine full iOS integration, super fast A-11 Bionic chip (same as iPhone), high throughput wireless components, custom OS (like WatchOS), developer API, W2 chip for Bluetooth pairing, OLED screen, and beautiful l…

Apple could take their MacBook experience and make a phenomenal netbook. There's no argument that it would be the finest netbook of all time.

But that, too, would be moving in the wrong direction.

Re: Dumb Things Camera Companies are Still Doing

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Post by hashmal »

tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #21
askafriend wrote: post #7

I could only imagine if Apple took all of their camera expertise from the iPhone and all of their existing Chip expertise and all of their Operating Systems expertise to create a Semi-Pro Mirrorless camera. Imagine full iOS integration, super fast A-11 Bionic chip (same as iPhone), high throughput wireless components, custom OS (like WatchOS), developer API, W2 chip for Bluetooth pairing, OLED screen, and beautiful l…

Sounds like an iPhone with a bigger camera chip. I don’t think Apple will venture into dedicated camera equipment. The iPhone camera is one of the big selling points and keeps people upgrading. Apple will not sacrifice their cash cow for a comparatively niche market. A dedicated device also goes against the unification that Apple seems to pursue.

Apple has no problems cannibalizing its own products. That being said, I don't think they would do dedicated cameras.

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Post by Steve44 »

jaggederest wrote: post #24
Steve44 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of the problems relate to the experience of the person behind the camera. Often you can see the choppiness when things are moving. That to me looks like they are using a high shutter speed which is inappropriate for cine work. In still photography if you take a picture of a waterfall on a bright day at 1/1000 you'll see every crisp drop, shooting at 1/30th will give a little bit of smoothing motion blur…

> My other bugbear is many cameramen appear to have forgotten what a tripod is. The camera wobbling about can occasionally at to the atmosphere but most of the time it is just annoying and distracting. Again a combination of lack of skill and production values. With projection and home displays lagging camera technology, I'd be surprised if the opposite didn't happen. You can do a lot of shake reduction with 2x the p…

It's not camera shake creating blurry images I'm talking about, it's the cameraman 'wobbling' about so the image isn't steady. The images will still be sharp, just the camera moving about a bit.

Re: Dumb Things Camera Companies are Still Doing

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Post by clra »

leejo wrote: post #28
clra wrote: post #6

Great article. I was hoping that the author would add something about the UIs of these cameras. The bodies of modern DSLRs are jampacked with every kind of knob, control, button, dial, and dongle that you can possibly think of. To a large extent, that's kind of the whole point — these cameras are for professionals and professionals ostensibly need to be able to adjust every aspect of their picture. But in practice, 9…

> Sometimes you don't notice, and there goes your shot. That's because you're not using the EVF, which you should be. The single most useful feature combination I find on the x100 series cameras is the EVF combined with the exposure compensation dial. This relates to the following annoyance from the article: > No focus information in viewfinder Any need for this is negated by a well implemented electronic viewfinder.…

> That's because you're not using the EVF, which you should be. The single most useful feature combination I find on the x100 series cameras is the EVF combined with the exposure compensation dial.

That's a fairly strange assumption to make. A performant EVF is one of Fuji's greatest innovations, and also one of its most conspicuous. Of course I'm using it.

Unfortunately, sometimes you're shooting from the hip (literally or figuratively), and not verifying every setting before you do. Sometimes, the EVF is almost unusable because you're out in bright sunlight. The existence of an EVF doesn't compensate for poor body design.

Re: Dumb Things Camera Companies are Still Doing

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Post by Numberwang »

newsbinator wrote: post #34
askafriend wrote: post #7

I could only imagine if Apple took all of their camera expertise from the iPhone and all of their existing Chip expertise and all of their Operating Systems expertise to create a Semi-Pro Mirrorless camera. Imagine full iOS integration, super fast A-11 Bionic chip (same as iPhone), high throughput wireless components, custom OS (like WatchOS), developer API, W2 chip for Bluetooth pairing, OLED screen, and beautiful l…

Apple could take their MacBook experience and make a phenomenal netbook. There's no argument that it would be the finest netbook of all time. But that, too, would be moving in the wrong direction.

Finest and most expensive.

Re: Dumb Things Camera Companies are Still Doing

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Post by askafriend »

newsbinator wrote: post #34
askafriend wrote: post #7

I could only imagine if Apple took all of their camera expertise from the iPhone and all of their existing Chip expertise and all of their Operating Systems expertise to create a Semi-Pro Mirrorless camera. Imagine full iOS integration, super fast A-11 Bionic chip (same as iPhone), high throughput wireless components, custom OS (like WatchOS), developer API, W2 chip for Bluetooth pairing, OLED screen, and beautiful l…

Apple could take their MacBook experience and make a phenomenal netbook. There's no argument that it would be the finest netbook of all time. But that, too, would be moving in the wrong direction.

You are absolutely right. It makes no sense for them to invest in something like that. Especially at the scale that they operate at. iPhones have completely changed what photography means at a basic level.

However, I would still love to have something like I described.

Re: Dumb Things Camera Companies are Still Doing

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Post by Steve44 »

dharma1 wrote: post #33
jrimbault wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe someone here can answer my question: During panning shots (horizontal, vertical), in recent films the image is blurry and uncomfortable (for me). Similar panning shots in earlier films seem cripser and more "comfortable". Is there a technical reason (shutter speed fashion) ? Or is it in my head ?

http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/global-rolling-shutter

Interesting looking article, thank you & I'll read that later.

An example of a different shutter mechanism producing an odd effect, this picture https://www.flickr.com/photos/sorenragsdale/3192314056/ shows that what the camera sees isn't always the truth!

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