"Her company, Paradigm, designs diversity strategies.", That sounds like a useful company...not.
Push for Gender Equality in Tech? Some Men Say It’s Gone Too Far
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#32I wish threads about this clown would get disappeared down the HN memory hole the same way threads about Trump get handled.
One sticking their head in the sand is a valid response? This is way more important than what license Facebook uses for its open source JS frameworks.
It's Hacker News, not Hacker Echo Chamber.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and have equal rights I'm sorry, what human rights are women lacking now? EDIT: I should clarify, in western democracies and developed eastern countries
Women in the United States do not have a universal right to health care. Even ignoring affordability, many localities have made it effectively impossible to obtain health care services that are related to reproductive health care. If these services were a right (even at the level of "you have a right to purchase these if you can afford them") that practice would be illegal and perhaps even unconstitutional. And this…
Are you referring to abortions solely, or also contraceptives, hysterectomies and tubal libations et al? I've heard that it can be difficult to get oral contraceptives, but I don't know what barriers are in the way.
Honest question; I am Canadian and am not wholly aware of the state of medical affairs south of the fourty-nine.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and have equal rights I'm sorry, what human rights are women lacking now? EDIT: I should clarify, in western democracies and developed eastern countries
Women in the United States do not have a universal right to health care. Even ignoring affordability, many localities have made it effectively impossible to obtain health care services that are related to reproductive health care. If these services were a right (even at the level of "you have a right to purchase these if you can afford them") that practice would be illegal and perhaps even unconstitutional. And this…
Which localities have made it effectively impossible to obtain hormonal birth control but have unchallenged access to vasectomies?
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one is 'regressing' at the idea of diversity in tech. Framing it that way is a huge part of the problem and phenomenally disingenuous and simplistic. The divide is really whether you want force extra diversity at the expense of a meritocracy or if you want a meritocracy. With all the 'more women' vs. 'boys club' nonsense, a person not thinking critically could forget that some people want to work with the best peo…
You need to get over this infantile faith that tech is a meritocracy. It’s not, and it never has been. That’s a comforting and self-serving myth we keep telling ourselves.
I'm curious. Which professional sector is a meritocracy? From what I've seen, and I may not have seen enough, nothing is a true meritocracy, or really even approaches it.
P.S.
I'm not trying to be snarky. I really do want some examples (outside of certain sports, I guess) of actual meritocracies. I can't think of one =[
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one is 'regressing' at the idea of diversity in tech. Framing it that way is a huge part of the problem and phenomenally disingenuous and simplistic. The divide is really whether you want force extra diversity at the expense of a meritocracy or if you want a meritocracy. With all the 'more women' vs. 'boys club' nonsense, a person not thinking critically could forget that some people want to work with the best peo…
By definition, you can't have a meritocracy without having diversity. In a meritocracy, someone needs to determine the "merit", or at least define the rules which will determine it. And as long as that someone is human, the merit will be affected by their thoughts, emotions, beliefs and understanding of the world, which are in turn determined (or at the very least affected) by the world around them.
You do not need diversity to have a meritocracy in 100m sprint. Diversity may help to get closer to meritocracy in other fields, but in some fields the criteria are so difficult to determine that even with diversity it may be virtually impossible within a single company. The good news is that the market corrects this: the industry misjudging opens an opportunity for other companies to hire more effectively by judging correctly. If you believe that the industry is undervaluing group X, then you can hire more effectively by hiring group X.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Women in the United States do not have a universal right to health care. Even ignoring affordability, many localities have made it effectively impossible to obtain health care services that are related to reproductive health care. If these services were a right (even at the level of "you have a right to purchase these if you can afford them") that practice would be illegal and perhaps even unconstitutional. And this…
Are you referring to abortions solely, or also contraceptives, hysterectomies and tubal libations et al? I've heard that it can be difficult to get oral contraceptives, but I don't know what barriers are in the way. Honest question; I am Canadian and am not wholly aware of the state of medical affairs south of the fourty-nine.
Several states make reproductive health clinics impossible to run via various methods. Legislation is being pushed in Texas to directly outlaw Planned Parenthood even though abortions are a tiny, tiny fraction of their provided procedures over a yearly basis.
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#38It's sad to see men regressing at the idea of diversity in tech. It can't just be a boys club. The value in employment diversity is that we give people of all backgrounds a fair shot at opportunities. IMO it's actually a very complex issue strategically leveling the playing field. At Google, something like only 1 in 5 tech workers are female, and their diversity practices are fairly extreme compared to the norm. It's…
No one is 'regressing' at the idea of diversity in tech. Framing it that way is a huge part of the problem and phenomenally disingenuous and simplistic. The divide is really whether you want force extra diversity at the expense of a meritocracy or if you want a meritocracy. With all the 'more women' vs. 'boys club' nonsense, a person not thinking critically could forget that some people want to work with the best peo…
Why do you believe that diversity and meritocracy are mutually exclusive? There are lots of ways companies can and do try to encourage more diversity in their workforce, and few of those approaches involve hiring unqualified people just to fill a quota. Arguments that diversity MUST come at the expense of meritocracy come across as a more subtle way to argue that the status quo represents the natural order of things. Or in other words, the argument is that there are more men than women in tech because men are better suited to it, not because of any non-skill based issues causing a gender imbalance. Because if there were other issues, surely addressing them could improve diversity without making things less meritocratic.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and have equal rights I'm sorry, what human rights are women lacking now? EDIT: I should clarify, in western democracies and developed eastern countries
Women in the United States do not have a universal right to health care. Even ignoring affordability, many localities have made it effectively impossible to obtain health care services that are related to reproductive health care. If these services were a right (even at the level of "you have a right to purchase these if you can afford them") that practice would be illegal and perhaps even unconstitutional. And this…
> Women in the United States do not have a universal right to health care
No one does. Overall in the US, greater amounts are spent on/by women (https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Sta...).
Men don't even have birth control, although that is generally no fault of anyone (although searching up "feminist opposition to male birth control" brings up some interesting hits: https://www.google.com/search?q=feminist+opposition+to+male+...)
I'm pretty sure female sterilizations aren't banned anywhere in the US either.
About sexual assault cases and lack of rights pertaining to due process, I would suggest that the evidence points to the opposite: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/laura-kipniss-endle...
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-ba...
Re: Push for Gender Equality in Tech? Some Men Say It’s Gone Too Far
#40Today on HN I've learnt about KaTeX, a math typesetting system for the web[1]. As I looked into it, I was intrigued by the names of the two authors, which suggested they are females. That looked odd to me, as I thought typically this kind of project is made by men. The last time I had this kind of surprise was with Audrey Tang, the developer of Pugs, an early Perl 6 implementation. Turned out she was not born female.…
It might help if it were not frowned upon to admit that women and men are different, and that isn't a bad thing. Male nurses are still a rarity, and that's ok (though, all nurses, regardless of sex, should get paid more). Different doesn't mean better or worse, just different. Is a frog better than a toad? Well, what situation are you asking about? Are women better than men? Well, what situation are we talking about? (And, yes, I just compared men and women to frogs and toads, because no hidden reason whatsoever...)