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World’s First Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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Re: World’s First Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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Post by rick888 »

BrandonM wrote: post #21
patrickk wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being mistrustful of copyright laws seems to be a hacker ethic. The price of an open web is to tolerate a certain amount of piracy. Sure, you could stamp out 99% of piracy on the web, by logging usage, throttling traffic, suing teenagers and deploying other heavy-handed tactics. But at what cost? I would argue that having an open web is better than trying to prune it to perfection. You will snuff out innovation and k…

> How many people here on HN have used pirated software to help build a web app? I would expect this number to be close to 0. What does this even mean?

"I would expect this number to be close to 0. What does this even mean?"

What do you even need to pirate to make a web app?

Rails, php, apache, mysql are all free

Re: World’s First Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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Post by someone_here »

paul9290 wrote: post #26

It's 2010 and at least here in the U.S. the pirating activities of millions prompted Hulu, Vevo and other great legal sites to get content. Hollywood bended which is great and downloading is so 2005. If your pirating and outside the US then more power to you as you dont have legal alternatives - yet. If your in the US I wonder why are you still pirating copyrighted material? Im curious to hear...

I'm in canada and pirating is the only way to get the content on my phone.

Re: World’s First Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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Post by Dementati »

henrikschroder wrote: post #28
KoZeN wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was hoping the comment wouldn't come across as scaremongering but on reflection I probably should have worded it better. All valid points and I humbly stand corrected. I wasn't suggesting that this will directly increase that form of activity but I was more curious as to the possible negative applications an annonymous IP service would subsequently provide to those looking to take advantage of the system. I still a…

If you're the police, and if you have evidence that a user of this ISP is distributing child pornography, and if you ask nicely, I'm sure they'll help out. But if you want blanket surveillance, or if it involves some teenager downloading music, they'll (rightly) tell you to go away.

"But if you want blanket surveillance, or if it involves some teenager downloading music, they'll (rightly) tell you to go away."

And sadly, they would currently be breaking the law in doing so in Sweden.

Re: World’s First Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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Post by tzs »

Dementati wrote: post #8
rick888 wrote: post #2

I wonder what the response would be like if there was a party dedicated to breaking the GPL. Piracy seems to be fine, but anybody that violates an open source license like the GPL gets demonized like they are a criminal.

The Pirate Party is not dedicated to piracy. It's dedicated to privacy and personal integrity, fighting the patent system and maintaining an open, free internet.

Like the Republican Party in the US is dedicated to fiscal responsibility, personal freedom, and maintaining a free society?

Re: World’s First Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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Post by tzs »

Dementati wrote: post #14
patio11 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like a Monty Python sketch waiting to happen. "But you've got a bloody black flag!" "Its the flag of fighting the patent system!" "And you want to host torrents out of Parliament!" "They're personal integrity torrents!" "And movies!" "Doubtlessly movies about personal integrity!"

The whole pirate theme is intended as humour, and a lot of us love Monty Python. The point of defending the Pirate Bay is that it is in fact not the site itself but it's users that distribute files with copyright-protected content. The Pirate Bay is a neutral medium.

Earlier you said that an important point of the Pirate Party is supporting privacy. Yet the Pirate Bay goes out of its way to be against privacy, yet you defend them too. For example, if someone steals someone personal and intimate photos and makes them available via a torrent, and the person whose privacy is thus being massively invaded asks TPB to please stop indexing that torrent--TPB will mock them in public, calling more attention to the availability of the invasive photos.

That's far beyond being neutral. That's condoning and encouraging privacy violations, and they are doing it to draw hits for advertising.

Re: World’s First Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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Post by patrickk »

rick888 wrote: post #30
patrickk wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being mistrustful of copyright laws seems to be a hacker ethic. The price of an open web is to tolerate a certain amount of piracy. Sure, you could stamp out 99% of piracy on the web, by logging usage, throttling traffic, suing teenagers and deploying other heavy-handed tactics. But at what cost? I would argue that having an open web is better than trying to prune it to perfection. You will snuff out innovation and k…

"How many people here on HN have used pirated software to help build a web app? Quite a few I'd bet. If your fledging web app is a success, whose software are you gonna buy when you are successful? The one you 'test-drove' as a pirate of course. " Possibly. But there aren't really any real stats to back this up. "Why do you think the tech industry and the web grew out of America and not some other wealthy country? It…

The problem with clamping down on piracy is where do you draw the line? On one end of the continuum is the 'totally-open' model that has been there since the advent of the web, and the other end of the continuum is China, which employs an army of workers (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2010/03/...) to censor content that the government deems 'inappropriate'. Starting to apply measures to clamp down on the web in any way is stepping onto a slippery slope. Look at the McCarthy communist witch hunts of the 1950s or the USA PATRIOT Act for examples of how power is abused in the name of protecting us from 'communists' and 'terrorists'. Who is to say that 'Pirates' won't the the next label to be vilified?

Granted, neither end of the continuum is ideal, but I know which side I'd rather be on. The web has been a magnificent haven for innvovation in the twenty or so years it's been with us, let's not do anything to f%%k it up (Butterfly Effect and all that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect)

Re: World’s First Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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Post by jrockway »

paul9290 wrote: post #26

It's 2010 and at least here in the U.S. the pirating activities of millions prompted Hulu, Vevo and other great legal sites to get content. Hollywood bended which is great and downloading is so 2005. If your pirating and outside the US then more power to you as you dont have legal alternatives - yet. If your in the US I wonder why are you still pirating copyrighted material? Im curious to hear...

Why would I pay $10 a month to watch old TV shows with ads in a Flash-only player when I can pirate and get hours-old ad-free HD TV shows that play anywhere?

Fuck DRM. When the video-distribution industry gets rid of DRM, then I'll buy video online. When my favorite TV shows are available for $10 a season in 1080p without DRM (and with episodes released before the official airtime, preferably), I will be the first to sign up. Until then, the pirates provide a significantly better product. For free.

The music industry figured it out. I have no trouble buying music I like in a lossless format these days, and there is never DRM. So why not the video industry? Their product is significantly more disposable than music, and yet it costs more and they use more "technology" to "protect" it. It doesn't make sense.

(I listen to songs over and over again. I watch a TV show once, and then delete it to free up hard drive space for more TV shows.)

Re: World’s First Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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Post by starkfist »

jrockway wrote: post #37
paul9290 wrote: post #26

It's 2010 and at least here in the U.S. the pirating activities of millions prompted Hulu, Vevo and other great legal sites to get content. Hollywood bended which is great and downloading is so 2005. If your pirating and outside the US then more power to you as you dont have legal alternatives - yet. If your in the US I wonder why are you still pirating copyrighted material? Im curious to hear...

Why would I pay $10 a month to watch old TV shows with ads in a Flash-only player when I can pirate and get hours-old ad-free HD TV shows that play anywhere? Fuck DRM. When the video-distribution industry gets rid of DRM, then I'll buy video online. When my favorite TV shows are available for $10 a season in 1080p without DRM (and with episodes released before the official airtime, preferably), I will be the first to…

Why do you care about DRM on the TV show if you only watch the TV show once?

Re: World’s First Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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Post by jrockway »

starkfist wrote: post #38
jrockway wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would I pay $10 a month to watch old TV shows with ads in a Flash-only player when I can pirate and get hours-old ad-free HD TV shows that play anywhere? Fuck DRM. When the video-distribution industry gets rid of DRM, then I'll buy video online. When my favorite TV shows are available for $10 a season in 1080p without DRM (and with episodes released before the official airtime, preferably), I will be the first to…

Why do you care about DRM on the TV show if you only watch the TV show once?

Because DRM'd files do not play on my phone, under Linux, etc.

Plus, I want to decide how many times I watch something, I don't need some shitty computer program to do it for me.

Re: World’s First Pirate ISP Launches In Sweden

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Post by Yaggo »

starkfist wrote: post #38
jrockway wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would I pay $10 a month to watch old TV shows with ads in a Flash-only player when I can pirate and get hours-old ad-free HD TV shows that play anywhere? Fuck DRM. When the video-distribution industry gets rid of DRM, then I'll buy video online. When my favorite TV shows are available for $10 a season in 1080p without DRM (and with episodes released before the official airtime, preferably), I will be the first to…

Why do you care about DRM on the TV show if you only watch the TV show once?

Not every player/device plays DRM'd stuff?
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