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Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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If you are planning to do equity funding, the $500 to Atlas is cheaper than the $4000 to a lawyer to convert your LLC to a C-corp later. Disclaimer: happy Atlas user who did previous C-corps the old-fashioned way and did not enjoy doing that.

Then start with an LLC and, when have an equity check in hand, don't count those chickens before they hatch, use Atlas to convert the LLC to a C-corp or, simpler, just use Atlas to form a C-corp and f'get, or some such, about the LLC.

Often, that LLC will have important IP that isn't trivial to convert. (Hence paying the lawyers way more than $500 to fix it).

What's the advantage of doing it in 2 (expensive!) steps if you know the plan already?

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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Not sure where you're getting your data, but: 1) $10k/mo is not even close to enough for most US companies that want to grow quickly. If it were enough, then way fewer founders would want to fundraise. 2) I'm a partner at Susa and I'm technical. And even if I weren't, being technical has little to do with being a good partner to technical founders. Most basketball coaches can't dunk, but they are still good coaches.…

> $10k/mo is not even close to enough for most companies that want to grow quickly. I got the $10,000 a month from the OP. I'm a sole, solo founder. So, right, my startup doesn't have five founders, each with credit cards maxed out, each with a pregnant wife about due. And, right, my startup has no co-founder disputes. And since I'm 100% owner, I have no BoD disputes and spend no time reporting to a BoD. Since I'm te…

Sorry but if you cold emailed this to a VC, it makes sense that you didn't receive an answer. It's a rambling wall of text packed with irrelevant technical information. I now know your tech stack, infrastructure and the text editor you use, but I still have no idea which problem you are trying to solve. All I know is that you're doing some kind of applied math that you don't want people to call AI.

Instead try to look at your cold email like a pitch. If you apply the advice from OP, I'm sure this post will be much shorter and actually explain the product you are building and who the customers are.

Also, a pitch is two minutes. This post took me forever to read.

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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Then start with an LLC and, when have an equity check in hand, don't count those chickens before they hatch, use Atlas to convert the LLC to a C-corp or, simpler, just use Atlas to form a C-corp and f'get, or some such, about the LLC.

Often, that LLC will have important IP that isn't trivial to convert. (Hence paying the lawyers way more than $500 to fix it). What's the advantage of doing it in 2 (expensive!) steps if you know the plan already?

> convert?

I'd wonder about that. But, all the IP is on just a little portable, USB interface, hard drive I own, so I bring a copy with me when the C-corp is formed? Shhh, don't tell anyone!

For two steps, easy: For a solo founder and 100% owner, an LLC is a total sweetheart and a C-corp. with a BoD is a forever continuing total pain in the back side. So, very much do not want a C-corp until need it for equity funding where the founder is no longer 100% owner, and such equity funding is chancy. Equity funding is not easy to get.

I'm not counting on equity funding and, really, have given up on it -- by the time VCs will write me a check, I will long since have not been willing to accept it. My startup is deliberately designed to get to plenty of money for growth with just my labor and my thin checkbook. And, I'd greatly prefer to remain 100% owner of an LLC.

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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> $10k/mo is not even close to enough for most companies that want to grow quickly. I got the $10,000 a month from the OP. I'm a sole, solo founder. So, right, my startup doesn't have five founders, each with credit cards maxed out, each with a pregnant wife about due. And, right, my startup has no co-founder disputes. And since I'm 100% owner, I have no BoD disputes and spend no time reporting to a BoD. Since I'm te…

Sorry but if you cold emailed this to a VC, it makes sense that you didn't receive an answer. It's a rambling wall of text packed with irrelevant technical information. I now know your tech stack, infrastructure and the text editor you use, but I still have no idea which problem you are trying to solve. All I know is that you're doing some kind of applied math that you don't want people to call AI. Instead try to loo…

I start e-mail messages to VCs with a very short pitch that explains the problem I'm solving, the market it is in, why there's a good shot at 1 billion devoted users, why my work is the first good solution, etc. Darned short.

I've never explained the problem I'm solving in public -- not yet. When I have an open beta, then it will be obvious, but I want to keep that much detail non-public until my beta and going live.

Sometimes I stop there. Sometimes I include some more of what I gave above. I never include as much technical information as above -- that is for an HN audience.

I wrote the above for the HN audience to explain what I can that HN could understand.

For the list of "accomplishments", some VCs, including SUSA, claim that they like to see such.

My main point is, in conflict with the OP and with SUSA's remarks on their Web site and in this thread, VCs including SUSA don't respond anything like they claim to. I wasted HUGE time contacting VCs, sent them dozens of highly polished e-mail messages, e.g., including very carefully written PDF foil decks, some with only 10 or so foils and only 250 words in total, and the response was essentially always the same -- silence. Could call, get an assistant, give her (always a female) a heads up about the e-mail, could leave phone messages, could send e-mail follow ups, etc., and in all cases, nothing significant.

My conclusions: Flatly, VCs essentially never take unsolicited e-mail messages seriously, no matter what the content, short, medium, long, highly polished, formal, informal, technical, non-technical, etc. Nothing, not even zip, zilch, zero -- phone calls, e-mail -- unsolicited counts.

Point: Don't waste your time. About all that counts is traction and publicity enough that VCs hear about the company NOT from the company. Maybe "warm introductions" count, but an entrepreneur like me just doesn't know the same people as VCs. We just don't know the same people. I know some very high up people that know me well, but those people don't know VCs.

The "warm introduction" idea is a bad joke on the VCs because the people they would really like to meet don't have the same associates as VCs.

To VCs, everything from the company unsolicited is "from over the transom" and regarded with contempt.

Now with the much lower prices of computing and Internet data rate and lots of free infrastructure software, etc., it's a new day: A sole, solo founder can bring the company to good traction alone. Then a solo founder can have such a low burn rate that by the time a VC firm wants to write a check, the founder will no longer need or want the check -- because such a check has the BoD with all the power in the company and has the founder essentially again an at-will employee.

I can rewrite my pitch anyway I want, and I can promise you that from the 100 top US information technology VCs, an unsolicited, "over the transom" e-mail contact will get a significant response from at most 2 firms but very likely none. It's just an unspoken secret of Sand Hill Road: VCs ignore unsolicited e-mail messages, no matter what is in them.

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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> $10k/mo is not even close to enough for most companies that want to grow quickly. I got the $10,000 a month from the OP. I'm a sole, solo founder. So, right, my startup doesn't have five founders, each with credit cards maxed out, each with a pregnant wife about due. And, right, my startup has no co-founder disputes. And since I'm 100% owner, I have no BoD disputes and spend no time reporting to a BoD. Since I'm te…

I have no idea what you are building and what problem you are solving. Sorry, you need to wind down your monologue and be more concise

What I wrote above is for the HN audience and is not what I ever sent to a VC. But for concise:

--- Executive Summary, Elevator Pitch ---

There are about 3 billion Internet users in the world. There is a problem (I can explain very quickly but won't explain in public yet but have explained to lots of VCs) that is pressing for essentially all those users but so far solved at best poorly. I have developed an excellent, and the first good, solution, now in software about ready to go live. Ballpark, good users will visit my Web site solution a few times a week, and from simple arithmetic the company should relatively soon be worth ballpark $1 T.

Short enough?

Ballpark, there's not a single VC in the US who will touch that with a pole five miles long.

"Innovative, leading edge, disruptive, high value, low risk, low cost to start, good barriers to entry" -- has all those but no VC in the country will take even 10 seconds to look at it.

Why not? Educated guesses: (1) Most important, the VCs want traction, significant and growing rapidly. (2) The VCs hate the idea of a solo founder. (3) The key to such astounding value is some crucial, core, original applied math, and VCs have never seen a successful startup based on math, know that they don't know the math, and really hate that some math might be relevant to an information technology startup. Instead, the VCs' idea of technology is some routine C++ software or some such. (4) No one has yet built a company worth $1 T, so the VCs just reject that possibility. (5) The VCs have total contempt for anything they receive via unsolicited e-mail. For a good startup, the VCs want to hear about the company from some solid source other than the company. The VCs are totally convinced that that source of information will be plenty soon enough for their investing. (6) The VCs believe, solidly, that if my startup starts to be successful, then I will come crawling back to them, desperate for equity funding for "the big build out," the "big staff up," the "big go to market push," "the explosively rapid growth," for the necessary high rate of growth to capture the market before others do (the VCs assume that anything one startup could do other startups could easily duplicate or equal, i.e., the VCs have never yet seen anything like crucial, core, proprietary technology genuinely ahead and difficult to duplicate or equal; the VCs believe that what is crucial is just the market and any relevant technology will be routine -- false!) for their help with marketing, staffing, business acumen, more funding rounds, exit strategy, etc. Nope.

The idea that my work can get me to $10,000 a month in revenue, maybe $200,000+ a month, then that revenue could let me scale to $2 million a month, then that revenue should let me scale to $20 million a month, then that revenue should let me get a lot of office space and hire a lot of people and grow to $100 million a month, ..., to a company worth $1 T is just to be laughed at, ignored, scorned, junked, etc.

VCs are necessarily chasing things that are really exceptional, but when they hear about such a thing they reject it without even a glance because it is not what they are used to!

Maybe the VCs are jealous, already making money enough, want desperate, subordinate entrepreneurs, etc.

But they don't want me, and my startup has such low burn rate and my checkbook is still thick enough that I don't need the VCs and should be able to get to revenue of $10,000 a month at which time "no VC need call".

My Point: I wasted a LOT of time pitching to VCs, and I want to warn HN readers that VCs can be really tough to communicate with. E.g., some VCs claim that they "seek out" some really good stuff, but when send them e-mail outlining just such stuff they just ignore the e-mail.

Warning: It's a big secret in information technology VC that they take great pride in ignoring unsolicited e-mail. So, don't waste time writing them.

If you really want them, then get some traction and publicity and let them call you. Of course, if you are a solo founder with tiny opex, you may not want to talk with them!

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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Not only does lpolovets really reply to cold emails, he also makes warm introductions to other VCs after meeting those cold emailers. Source: personal experience

I never saw his e-mail address, but my e-mail to SUSA, with the material I posted below, was totally ignored. My experience is that VCs just ignore unsolicted e-mail. I've sent several hundred that got totally ignored. I've never had a VC give a meaningful response to anything I sent them. Again, IMHO, the VCs want traction, significant and growing rapidly, and they want to hear about the company from some solid sour…

I certainly don't wish to be rude, but if your emails are anything like the material you posted below I can pretty much promise nobody has ever bothered to read them.

There is a time for long, flowing prose. Cold emails to people whose time is worth a lot of money isn't one of them.

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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I have no idea what you are building and what problem you are solving. Sorry, you need to wind down your monologue and be more concise

What I wrote above is for the HN audience and is not what I ever sent to a VC. But for concise: --- Executive Summary, Elevator Pitch --- There are about 3 billion Internet users in the world. There is a problem (I can explain very quickly but won't explain in public yet but have explained to lots of VCs) that is pressing for essentially all those users but so far solved at best poorly. I have developed an excellent,…

"Short enough?"

Not even close. WTF do you do???

Slack: makes team chat and IM easy

Tesla: Makes electric cars that don't suck

Dropbox: Makes it easy to share and sync files with colleagues

You: I have no damn idea.

It's crucial to remember that any VC (really, any person) you're talking to is listening to BS 90% of the time. You MUST convince them QUICKLY that you're not bullshitting them. Your intro, which I worry you think is engaging, sounds like scammy BS ("I can solve this problem and make a trillion dollars but I won't tell you what the problem is unless you read my rambling wall of text below!!").

Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show,_don%27t_tell

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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I never saw his e-mail address, but my e-mail to SUSA, with the material I posted below, was totally ignored. My experience is that VCs just ignore unsolicted e-mail. I've sent several hundred that got totally ignored. I've never had a VC give a meaningful response to anything I sent them. Again, IMHO, the VCs want traction, significant and growing rapidly, and they want to hear about the company from some solid sour…

I certainly don't wish to be rude, but if your emails are anything like the material you posted below I can pretty much promise nobody has ever bothered to read them. There is a time for long, flowing prose. Cold emails to people whose time is worth a lot of money isn't one of them.

As I've explained in overwhelming detail in this thread, I sent about 800 e-mail messages to VCs and got back essentially nothing. What I sent was never like what I posted here for the technical HN audience.

For nearly all the 800 or so, I started with something very short, e.g., an executive summary or an elevator pitch. I gave a sample below at

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15283099

and will repeat it for you here:

--- Executive Summary, Elevator Pitch ---

There are about 3 billion Internet users in the world. There is a problem (I can explain very quickly but won't explain in public yet but have explained to lots of VCs) that is pressing for essentially all those users but so far solved at best poorly. I have developed an excellent, and the first good, solution, now in software about ready to go live. Ballpark, good users will visit my Web site solution a few times a week, and from simple arithmetic the company should relatively soon be worth ballpark $1 T.

That pitch or anything like it, just that, or with more below, as text in e-mail or in a nicely done PDF foil deck, revised dozens of times, polished, etc. is a non-starter. No VC in the country will touch it with a pole 5 miles long.

My other posts to this tread today have some guesses just why.

When I first considered VC funding, I had some projects that needed some equity funding. No VC wanted to fund those projects.

So, I cooked up my present project with planning that I could take the project to live on the Web, good revenue, plenty of revenue for rapid growth, with that growth plenty of revenue for much more rapid growth, ..., all the way to a very successful company and, maybe exit and lots of financial security for myself and my family, all as 100% owner with no equity funding at all. Well, I'm nicely on track for just that, with the software in alpha test and essentially ready to go live.

I just didn't want to depend on VCs or report to a BoD.

I still have some interest in VCs as, say, backup in case of some financial emergency or just as sources of feedback.

But I've found that VCs essentially, it's easy to conclude, just really hate everything about my work! Everything! Really hate!

I wasted a LOT of time contacting VCs, for all the projects I've tried including the present one. My view is that VCs have Web sites that mislead entrepreneurs, get the entrepreneurs to contact, often strain to contact, VCs, and then the VCs, finally apparently with perverse pleasure, just ignore the entrepreneurs. The claims on the VC Web sites are 90+% total BS.

So, I didn't get pissed -- I got way beyond pissed.

But I've mostly gotten over being pissed -- I just accept that VCs are a bunch of losers that, on average, actually are not making much money.

So, here on HN, in response to the OP, I am responding to warn other HN entrepreneurs that mostly VCs are just a waste of time. Even if you get their check, you have to put up with them on your BoD, and that's not going be a picnic either.

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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I certainly don't wish to be rude, but if your emails are anything like the material you posted below I can pretty much promise nobody has ever bothered to read them. There is a time for long, flowing prose. Cold emails to people whose time is worth a lot of money isn't one of them.

As I've explained in overwhelming detail in this thread, I sent about 800 e-mail messages to VCs and got back essentially nothing. What I sent was never like what I posted here for the technical HN audience. For nearly all the 800 or so, I started with something very short, e.g., an executive summary or an elevator pitch . I gave a sample below at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15283099 and will repeat it for y…

I know nothing about your idea and please don't consider this a comment on that but ...

> Ballpark, good users will visit my Web site solution a few times a week, and from simple arithmetic the company should relatively soon be worth ballpark $1 T.

VCs almost certainly hear this kind of claim multiple times a week and are thoroughly experienced in how frequently this turns out to be true (practically zero) - hence without some kind of demonstration or hook they can anchor themselves to, it's going to go straight in the bin.

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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I have no idea what you are building and what problem you are solving. Sorry, you need to wind down your monologue and be more concise

What I wrote above is for the HN audience and is not what I ever sent to a VC. But for concise: --- Executive Summary, Elevator Pitch --- There are about 3 billion Internet users in the world. There is a problem (I can explain very quickly but won't explain in public yet but have explained to lots of VCs) that is pressing for essentially all those users but so far solved at best poorly. I have developed an excellent,…

If the invention involves "original applied math", yet is useful to ordinary people then I'm not clear on why there is harm is saying what it is, briefly. If I invent a flying car that runs on a couple of AA batteries, then saying so is not going to give away my secrets and allow competitors to beat me. It seems inconsistent to be complaining that VCs think, falsely, that your solution can be duplicated easily, while treating it as so secret you can't give a summary of what (not how) you have done.
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