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Kaspersky: The Russian Company That Is a Danger to Our Security

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Re: Kaspersky: The Russian Company That Is a Danger to Our Security

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Post by Voyage_wanderer »

bayesian_horse wrote: post #19
Shank wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The reason you "know" the NSA is a threat is because of the increased "transparency" of western democracies. The reason why we know so much about what the NSA does is because a few NSA contractors have broken the law (for good or for ill) and leaked classified information about operations. Without leaks, there would be no information about what NSA does or doesn't do. The only difference between NSA and FSB is that…

Leakers, and the ensuing discussion and spread of the leaked information, is part of the western culture of transparency. Of course government agencies don't want to expose their secrets voluntarily. They have to be dragged into the open kicking and screaming. Doesn't mean that they aren't, though.

Surge of leakers unable to resolve issues internally points to serious structural problems. I remember times when soviets were prone to leak. I don't believe that there is any global it firm independent of its handlers..

Re: Kaspersky: The Russian Company That Is a Danger to Our Security

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Post by shade23 »

I really do not expect such journalism from New York times,

>But a backdoor is not necessary. When a user installs Kaspersky Lab software, the company gets an all-access pass to every corner of a user’s computer network, including all applications, files and emails.

Isn't this true for all antiviruses.

>The Kremlin hacked our presidential election, is waging a cyberwar against our NATO allies and is probing opportunities to use similar tactics against democracies worldwide

Any proof for this?

Just realized that this was written by a Democratic Senator who took a stand against Kaspersky. That explains the lack of balance in the article and the tone.

Also. I would have a problem with any one having my data, be it Symantec and NSA or Kaspersky and KGB.

Re: Kaspersky: The Russian Company That Is a Danger to Our Security

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Post by sigmar »

Shank wrote: post #17
bayesian_horse wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason you "know" the NSA is a threat is because of the increased "transparency" of western democracies. There is no transparency in Russia. In a system of kleptocracy, bribery and a questionable judicial system, there is no boundary between state actors and any "private" corporation. If the FSB asks Kasperski for help, they can't say no, and they won't tell. If given the choice, I'd still rather trust American i…

> The reason you "know" the NSA is a threat is because of the increased "transparency" of western democracies. The reason why we know so much about what the NSA does is because a few NSA contractors have broken the law (for good or for ill) and leaked classified information about operations. Without leaks, there would be no information about what NSA does or doesn't do. The only difference between NSA and FSB is that…

>FSB hasn't used as many contractors and hasn't had as many leakers in Snowden-like positions.

FSB has lots of contractors leak though. They just disappear and are never heard from again. Such as Ruslan Stoyanov.

Re: Kaspersky: The Russian Company That Is a Danger to Our Security

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Post by junkculture »

shade23 wrote: post #33

I really do not expect such journalism from New York times, >But a backdoor is not necessary. When a user installs Kaspersky Lab software, the company gets an all-access pass to every corner of a user’s computer network, including all applications, files and emails. Isn't this true for all antiviruses. >The Kremlin hacked our presidential election, is waging a cyberwar against our NATO allies and is probing opportuni…

The NYT had been quite biased for a long time. I think the last time they did any real journalism was during the first major Wikileaks story - the one where Greenwald played a big part.

Re: Kaspersky: The Russian Company That Is a Danger to Our Security

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Post by junkculture »

sandworm101 wrote: post #10
agarden wrote: post #2

One can easily imagine reading an article like this published on a Russian site, with 'Kaspersky' replaced with 'Symantec' and 'FSB' with 'NSA'.

You forgot microsoft apple and google. In many countries they are looked upon as potential vectors if not threats themselves.

Microsoft and Google are definitely vectors both for themselves and as puppets for the US govt.

Apple isn't there yet, but who knows when they'll be compromised.

Re: Kaspersky: The Russian Company That Is a Danger to Our Security

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Post by sigmar »

1024core wrote: post #29

Let's say I believe the good Senator from NH, that Kaspersky is evil. What she has failed to show is how are Kaspersky's actions worse than those of Cisco, Juniper, Microsoft, Intel, etc.? Can she state, with conviction, that the NSA does not have backdoors in US products? That the NSA is not exploiting holes (which they could get fixed by the vendors, but aren't) ? BTW: the US has been "hacking" elections one way or…

>Let's say I believe the good Senator from NH, that Kaspersky is evil.

This isn't what she wrote.

Re: Kaspersky: The Russian Company That Is a Danger to Our Security

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Post by junkculture »

dkural wrote: post #20
monochromatic wrote: post #5

> The Kremlin hacked our presidential election Stopped reading there.

They did hack the voting machines. It doesn't say the hack successfully changed the outcome. What do you disagree with?

The first I've heard of this. Any citations?

Re: Kaspersky: The Russian Company That Is a Danger to Our Security

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Post by junkculture »

dkural wrote: post #23
downandout wrote: post #9

Despite its statement of fact in the title, this is in the opinion section and is riddled with innuendo, inaccuracies, and fearmongering, starting with the oft-repeated and incorrect idea that Russia "hacked our election". This is of course not the case - some email was hacked and it exposed some of the illegal/unethical dealings of a candidate. Had the leaked emails all been about how hard that candidate was going t…

The NSA disagrees with you. Voting software suppliers and local election officials were targeted, not just DNC emails. https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-de... I do agree with you that without firm evidence & legal framework, the government should not victimize private business interests.

And the NSA is trustworthy. Okay then.

Re: Kaspersky: The Russian Company That Is a Danger to Our Security

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Post by rdtsc »

> The Kremlin hacked our presidential election,

That's the first line in the article and is stated as fact, what's the evidence for that? How exactly did Kremlin hack our election?

Are they implying had it not been for their hackers we might have had Hillary as a president. I remember her campaigning in California multiple times and but I guess those sneaky Russian hackers changed her itinerary to never visit Wisconsin. They also forced her to setup that stupid server and send classified information over it. Then held the hands of her staffers as they smashed those blackberries with hammers.

Saw someone else here stopped reading at that line, and can't blame them. This is becoming like the WMD and the Iraq War story. At some point it becomes counterproductive to repeat it because it starts to work in the opposite direction. No doubt there it was a very well thought out PR campaign, but it's time to wrap up and move on.

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