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Rayton Solar: Legitimate Investment or Scam?

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Re: Rayton Solar: Legitimate Investment or Scam?

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Post by burnte »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #19

Regarding Bill Nye, this makes me sad. He really was instrumental in making science fun and exciting when I was young. In his post TV life he's become just another political idealogue. Even doing as far as censuring[1] his own TV show when the science contradicts his social justice message. Now it seems he's coming to normal people with an ax to grind. It's hard to see him not profiting from this endeavor. 1. https:/…

I don't see a problem with that. Genetic sex is pretty cut and dry, no one seriously debates that. What is under review is the expression of that underlying genetic determination. He's simply changing his stand with the evidence, we have millions of people around the world with various gender dysphorias that in some societies are simply accepted as fact. You may disagree that gender identity is complex, but that doesn't mean you're right. I'm a straight white male and I've never had any doubt about my identity in that respect, but that doesn't mean that my friends who are transgender don't have a different experience.

It's a bad scientist who stands by a theory that is incomplete.

Re: Rayton Solar: Legitimate Investment or Scam?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ringaroundthetx wrote: post #21
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> equity companies (or at least, purchases of their private equity) are going to go the way of the dinosaur Source?

This year the source is the collective conscious that sees and uses the alternative ways of raising or transmitting capital, who can tolerate the lack of consumer and investor protections because of the immediate liquidity benefits allowing them to manage risk There is no dissertation on it, at best you'll find some charts showing side by side comparisons of what you get with the antiquated share company - a technolo…

> [investors] can tolerate the lack of consumer and investor protections because of the immediate liquidity benefits allowing them to manage risk

Huh, didn't think we'd reach this point this fast.

Re: Rayton Solar: Legitimate Investment or Scam?

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Post by burnte »

mulmen wrote: post #20
matt_wulfeck wrote: post #19

Regarding Bill Nye, this makes me sad. He really was instrumental in making science fun and exciting when I was young. In his post TV life he's become just another political idealogue. Even doing as far as censuring[1] his own TV show when the science contradicts his social justice message. Now it seems he's coming to normal people with an ax to grind. It's hard to see him not profiting from this endeavor. 1. https:/…

He also provided a platform to legitimize creationism by debating it as if it is a valid explanation of how the world came to be. I understand the desire to promote debate but I think he fell into the false balance trap. He did a great deal to advance STEM in the millennial generation which should not be understated but nobody is faultless. He is a great educator but I question if he really knows how best to use his…

Bill came right out and stated he understood that argument, but instead preferred to take that opportunity to talk directly to the audience. He didn't take Ken Hamm seriously, and didn't really promote debate. Instead he spent most of the time trying to talk to the impressionable members of the viewing audience, using his chance to talk to them in a rare unfiltered moment. He saw a chance to exploit their desire for a legitimizing debate to instead undermine their hold on younger people in the audience.

Re: Rayton Solar: Legitimate Investment or Scam?

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Post by matt_wulfeck »

jacobolus wrote: post #29
matthewmacleod wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a weak-ass article you’ve cited there which does little more than make some vague accusations with little evidence. Frankly this looks more like a typical case of a celebrity endorsement without enough research - which is bad, but I’d argue far less serious than the accusations you’re making.

This author’s every post is vacuous clickbait for angry right-wingers, https://thefederalist.com/author/danielpayne/ “Trump Spoke Truth About ‘Both Sides’ In Charlottesville, And The Media Lost Their Minds” “If We’re Tearing Down White Supremacy, Start With Planned Parenthood” “If Google Fires Anyone Over Stereotyping, It Should Be The Employees Who Stayed Home To Cry Over A Memo” “Dear Climate Alarmists: Now That Th…

You're totally right. It's a bad link and I regret including it.

Re: Rayton Solar: Legitimate Investment or Scam?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

JackFr wrote: post #13
ringaroundthetx wrote: post #2

Its just a liberal contract, and you just have to hope they won't do it the way this article flags. Most crowd sales have unlimited discretionary use of the funds, and that doesn't mean you can't make a profit, especially if you receive something tradable back. This is probably another reason why equity companies (or at least, purchases of their private equity) are going to go the way of the dinosaur, without liberal…

Existing securities laws didn't develop in a vacuum - they were a response to real problems in capital markets. Receiving something tradeable presupposes a counter party to trade with. Those likely will be in short supply once you've bought a lemon. A secondary market which eschews many of the practices of the established markets vis a vis investor protections, and relies on information discovery and reputation, even…

FYI, you're arguing with someone who literally believes investor protections aren't necessary for liquid investments [1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15134630

Re: Rayton Solar: Legitimate Investment or Scam?

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Post by deepnotderp »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #19

Regarding Bill Nye, this makes me sad. He really was instrumental in making science fun and exciting when I was young. In his post TV life he's become just another political idealogue. Even doing as far as censuring[1] his own TV show when the science contradicts his social justice message. Now it seems he's coming to normal people with an ax to grind. It's hard to see him not profiting from this endeavor. 1. https:/…

There is a spectrum of gender, it's just that 99.99%+ of the population fits into male or female, that doesn't mean that the other combinations don't exist however. And of course there are more combinations than XY and XX, that's been known since like the 1950s! They're rare, but not absent. Transgender is more complicated, but there are initial signs (difference in diffusibility of brain matter in mri scans and effect of fetal testosterone levels) that there are biological reasons involved there as well. In the animal world, there are freemartins that are similar.

Re: Rayton Solar: Legitimate Investment or Scam?

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Post by KGIII »

abrown28 wrote: post #30
mulmen wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also provided a platform to legitimize creationism by debating it as if it is a valid explanation of how the world came to be. I understand the desire to promote debate but I think he fell into the false balance trap. He did a great deal to advance STEM in the millennial generation which should not be understated but nobody is faultless. He is a great educator but I question if he really knows how best to use his…

a) The debate is happening whether Bill Nye takes part or not. b) If proponents of proposition A are unwilling to debate proponents of proposition B then proponents of A will be look like they don't believe in their proposition. You need to be willing to defend your beliefs. c) Debating someone does not legitimize their proposition. I believe you are legitimizing their proposition if you refuse to debate them.

Arguably, at some point debate becomes futile. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Re: Rayton Solar: Legitimate Investment or Scam?

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Post by john_moscow »

The stock market in general is moving in a strange direction in the past decade.

•First the dividends became the thing of the past as the companies argued that stock buybacks are more tax-efficient. The general public accepted it.

•Then the earnings per share disappeared and loss per share became standard. The argumentation was that it's better to invest in growth today and figure out profitability "some other day". The public ate it with not much questioning.

•Then it was the voting rights' turn to go with IPOs like SNAP. It raised some concerns (like being excluded from the S&P 500), but didn't stop people from investing either.

So if the general public keeps on bringing the money in despite the worsening conditions, it makes sense that someone would come up with even a bolder plan for turning this condition into their personal profit.

I blame the agency problem [1]. Too many investment decisions these days are made by someone investing someone else's money and their interests could be different from simply maximizing the returns and too many people blindly trust their money to be managed by someone else without fully understanding the underlying processes.

1. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/agencyproblem.asp

Re: Rayton Solar: Legitimate Investment or Scam?

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Post by abrown28 »

KGIII wrote: post #37
abrown28 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a) The debate is happening whether Bill Nye takes part or not. b) If proponents of proposition A are unwilling to debate proponents of proposition B then proponents of A will be look like they don't believe in their proposition. You need to be willing to defend your beliefs. c) Debating someone does not legitimize their proposition. I believe you are legitimizing their proposition if you refuse to debate them.

Arguably, at some point debate becomes futile. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

I agree you will almost never debate your opponent into a different point of view but you can change the beliefs of the audience sometimes.

For instance I don't mind if you change your opinion on the merit of debating creationists but I'm hoping to sway anyone else that reads this to my point of view.

Re: Rayton Solar: Legitimate Investment or Scam?

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Post by mulmen »

burnte wrote: post #33
mulmen wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also provided a platform to legitimize creationism by debating it as if it is a valid explanation of how the world came to be. I understand the desire to promote debate but I think he fell into the false balance trap. He did a great deal to advance STEM in the millennial generation which should not be understated but nobody is faultless. He is a great educator but I question if he really knows how best to use his…

Bill came right out and stated he understood that argument, but instead preferred to take that opportunity to talk directly to the audience. He didn't take Ken Hamm seriously, and didn't really promote debate. Instead he spent most of the time trying to talk to the impressionable members of the viewing audience, using his chance to talk to them in a rare unfiltered moment. He saw a chance to exploit their desire for…

I know what he said and I watched the debate. I'm aware of what his intent was, I just question the efficacy.
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