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Low-fat diet could kill you, major study shows

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Re: Low-fat diet could kill you, major study shows

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the_gastropod wrote: post #10
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But, given the amount of previous research about harmful effects of fat Dietary fat has been shown to be healthy over and over again. There's nothing controversial about saying dietary fat is good for you; it is established science at this point. I believe what the quote was trying to say about saturated fat is that they feel it is less dangerous than carbohydrates and sugars, and while the UK food industry has bee…

Hmm? https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2016/12/19/satu...

There's a difference between dietary and saturated fat.

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Post by keymone »

the_gastropod wrote: post #10
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But, given the amount of previous research about harmful effects of fat Dietary fat has been shown to be healthy over and over again. There's nothing controversial about saying dietary fat is good for you; it is established science at this point. I believe what the quote was trying to say about saturated fat is that they feel it is less dangerous than carbohydrates and sugars, and while the UK food industry has bee…

Hmm? https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2016/12/19/satu...

fwiw: https://www.xperthealth.org.uk/Home/News/ArtMID/454/ArticleI...

The usual pattern of research is for randomised controlled trials (RCTs) to be performed to confirm or deny trends identified in observational studies. In the case of SFAs however, there have already been a number of RCTs performed; and even a number of systematic reviews and meta-analyses pooling their outcomes (e.g. 6-11). This raises the immediate question, why are observational studies still being produced on the subject? It is notable that the evidence from these RCT’s and meta-analyses does not support the conclusions of the Harvard Group’s observational data. For example, a recent Cochrane review (the gold-standard of evidence) found that there was no statistical difference in all-cause or cardiovascular disease mortality in participants with higher SFA intake (12).

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Post by microcolonel »

mrfusion wrote: post #21

I'm still confused if apoe4s should do a low fat diet? I've seen it recommended but with all the damage carbs can do I'm thinking high fat is still the way to go?

Carbs get a bad rap these days, but provided most of your carbohydrates are complex, you really shouldn't be concerned. The trouble is with the lack of satiety response for foods high in simple sugars without mitigating factors (fruit juices, table sucrose, table syrups, and to a lesser extent honey). In addition, people differ genetically and this can affect optimal intake. For instance, I do well on a diet with lots of starchy carbohydrates, so my diet is based primarily on bread, steamed grain (rice, wheat, quinoa) and green vegetables (bok choy, spinach, broccoli), but I try to limit simple sugars.

There are fads of forsaking entire categories of macronutrient because this is the simplest thing to explain after counting calories.

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Post by jacamat »

cgh wrote: post #29
russtrotter wrote: post #24

seems like articles like this are always read as justification for KFC, butter, cheese and burgers rather than "hey maybe eating all those nuts and avocados is a good idea???"

There is nothing wrong with butter and cheese, unless you happen to be fat and are trying to eat fewer calories. The main thing to avoid in burgers are the buns.

Even if you are fat there’s nothing wrong with butter and cheese. Especially if you are fat, IMO.

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Post by eisrep »

the_gastropod wrote: post #10
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But, given the amount of previous research about harmful effects of fat Dietary fat has been shown to be healthy over and over again. There's nothing controversial about saying dietary fat is good for you; it is established science at this point. I believe what the quote was trying to say about saturated fat is that they feel it is less dangerous than carbohydrates and sugars, and while the UK food industry has bee…

Hmm? https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2016/12/19/satu...

I would take the results of this with a grain of salt. Linking saturated fats and coronary heart disease is not as simple as we'd like it to be. The first reference this article lists in particular has many reasons to stay skeptical[1].

[1] http://www.bmj.com/content/355/bmj.i5796/rr-4

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Post by hammock »

sebleon wrote: post #28

Sigh... this article presents a false dichotomy: you either eat a high fat diet, or you mostly eat refined carbs. Based on dozens of nutritionists I've talked to, focusing on macronutrients as the primary metric is not great. Personally, I look at these things before macros: is it plant-based, is it whole (not refined/processed).

Your body has minimum protein (and types of protein, AKA essential aminos) and fat (and types of fat, essential fatty acids) requirements, or you will die. And that is not a clickbait headline. So hitting those macros are vital even if you are focusing on whole foods

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Post by dhimes »

xj9 wrote: post #17
clort wrote: post #12

I keep thinking that diet, and fitness in general, is a complex thing to keep track of. I'm reminded that the wealthy, who can afford a personal trainer or physician to give advice for a significant proportion of the time would be better able to manage this, and I wonder when it will be that our own personal digital assistants will be able to help more of us do that. Problem is of course, privacy.. if Ltd create a PD…

the privacy problem is solved by free software and self-hosted/self-contained solutions. of course, there is a potential revenue problem, but there's always hosting, support, and other angles you can take to make monies.

Or, y'know, they could charge money for it and not sell the private stuff because they are making money. Comply with HIPAA etc.

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/laws-reg...

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Post by ashark »

bitL wrote: post #18

Last time I've been to US, in Cambridge, MA, it was next to impossible to buy a decent non-low fat yoghurt. It was like observing shelves full of junk food everywhere. Sigh.

Same in the grocery stores in the US midwest. If you're lucky, the available options are 80% non-fat (loaded with sugar), 15% low-fat (most sugary, but not all), and 5% full fat. In smaller stores there's no full-fat option at all, typically.

The non-fat ones are the "healthy" single-serving cups advertised in commercials with skinny women eating them in really nice kitchens just before they go running, or whatever. Probiotics, yoghurt's supposed to be healthy I think, blah blah. They're fat-free sugary dessert cups. Candy.

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