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Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC

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Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC

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Post by GenericsMotors »

chis wrote: post #28
mayank wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is absolutely no evidence that this fork will gain traction, because it contributes nothing new technically, so it's unlikely we'll reach the point you mention.

I'm not an expert, but it seems within the realm of possibility. Despite what hackernews thinks, the forkers have a somewhat reasonable argument, in that Vagg did violate the Code of Conduct (because it is extreme), and the committee voted to ignore it (because he's a valuable contributor). Morality aside, it calls the system into question if someone can violate established rules and get away with it because the judg…

This is definitely a good experiment to see if a project that is so centered around its CoC will prosper or wither on the vine.

My bet is on cold hard code, but who knows? Time will tell.

Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC

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Post by dragonwriter »

thwd wrote: post #6

Shame how such a cool project as node.js can drown in political fingerpointing. The only measurement that counts (in my opinion) is cold hard code contributions.

Lots of real people aren't robots, and are concerned with other feature software the environment in which they choose to spend time to make a product than just the resulting output. And those people are going to choose environments based on the features of concern.

Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC

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Post by 93202131 »

geofft wrote: post #14

A bit of a thought experiment for myself: suppose that Rod were as terrible as the worst possible claims made against him. (I am confident he's not.) Suppose he were actively, consciously hoping to deceive and harm the Node community. (I am also confident he's not.) What sort of statement would he write? How much would it look like this one?

You have to get behind someone to stab him in the back (I'm confident that you are not that kind of person).

Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC

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Post by kbenson »

chis wrote: post #28
mayank wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is absolutely no evidence that this fork will gain traction, because it contributes nothing new technically, so it's unlikely we'll reach the point you mention.

I'm not an expert, but it seems within the realm of possibility. Despite what hackernews thinks, the forkers have a somewhat reasonable argument, in that Vagg did violate the Code of Conduct (because it is extreme), and the committee voted to ignore it (because he's a valuable contributor). Morality aside, it calls the system into question if someone can violate established rules and get away with it because the judg…

> the forkers have a somewhat reasonable argument, in that Vagg did violate the Code of Conduct

Vagg seems to have a somewhat reasonable argument as well, in that he cannot correct behavior that has not been noted as problematic by himself or others.

If that's true, even though committee members ended up leaving for the fork, I could see their behavior as extreme enough to drive away people who try to contribute to the fork.

Edit: I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. Either case seems possible to me given the dearth of objective information. That I'm collecting upvotes while you are getting downvotes is odd, and IMO unwarranted.

Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC

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Post by wmf »

Rjevski wrote: post #18

Does anyone have a TLDR about this story? I haven't had the time to follow all the drama.

If there was a TLDR, would you believe it? What if there are two TLDRs that say completely opposite things?

I don't follow Node, but I've seen the Bitcoin community get to a place where understanding the politics alone could be a full-time job. It's pretty sad.

Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC

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Post by fleitz »

GenericsMotors wrote: post #31
chis wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not an expert, but it seems within the realm of possibility. Despite what hackernews thinks, the forkers have a somewhat reasonable argument, in that Vagg did violate the Code of Conduct (because it is extreme), and the committee voted to ignore it (because he's a valuable contributor). Morality aside, it calls the system into question if someone can violate established rules and get away with it because the judg…

This is definitely a good experiment to see if a project that is so centered around its CoC will prosper or wither on the vine. My bet is on cold hard code, but who knows? Time will tell.

The political question is whether they can attract via their politics the people who make the cold hard code.

Code hard code matters far more than politics to nodeJS consumers, but nodeJS producers may be influenced by politics.

You want to be the side that attracts the cold hard coders similarly to the way communists defected to the west during the cold war.

Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC

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Post by ebola1717 »

nawgszy wrote: post #3

I don't particularly understand the claims against this man, but as this organization and its discussions happen (almost) entirely online [is this correct?], surely it must be incredibly obvious whether or not allegations brought against him are true or not?

As I understand, the question wasn't the veracity of the claims - I'm not sure those were contested. The question was whether they warranted his removal, and that comes down to how much you care about the Code of Conduct and believe team members are responsible for upholding its legitimacy, even if they disagree privately or internally.
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