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What Goldman Is Telling Big Money Clients About Bitcoin

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Re: What Goldman Is Telling Big Money Clients About Bitcoin

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As a long term owner of Bitcoin, I can say this is the absolute worst time to start investing in it. It's development has been taken over by a group of mentally unstable developers with weird personal agendas and beliefs. The official Bitcoin website and subreddit are heavily censored and are no longer a reliable source of information. It's widely reported elsewhere that their moderator stole millions of dollars wort…

>There are other cryptocurrencies that deserve attention but I won't mention them here so I don't look like a shill. Shit, I'd appreciate it if you named some. I'm actually planning on putting my entire next paycheck towards crypto. Currently eyeing Neo even though I apparently missed the boat by not buying it when it was called ant.

Read this until fully understood

https://github.com/EOSIO/Documentation/blob/master/Technical...

And decide

For investment only outlook

Token Model and Resource Usage

PLEASE NOTE: CRYPTOGRAPHIC TOKENS REFERRED TO IN THIS WHITE PAPER REFER TO CRYPTOGRAPHIC TOKENS ON A LAUNCHED BLOCKCHAIN THAT ADOPTS THE EOS.IO SOFTWARE. THEY DO NOT REFER TO THE ERC-20 COMPATIBLE TOKENS BEING DISTRIBUTED ON THE ETHEREUM BLOCKCHAIN IN CONNECTION WITH THE EOS TOKEN DISTRIBUTION.

All blockchains are resource constrained and require a system to prevent abuse. With a blockchain that uses EOS.IO software, there are three broad classes of resources that are consumed by applications:

Bandwidth and Log Storage (Disk); Computation and Computational Backlog (CPU); and State Storage (RAM). Bandwidth and computation have two components, instantaneous usage and long-term usage. A blockchain maintains a log of all messages and this log is ultimately stored and downloaded by all full nodes. With the log of messages it is possible to reconstruct the state of all applications.

The computational debt is calculations that must be performed to regenerate state from the message log. If the computational debt grows too large then it becomes necessary to take snapshots of the blockchain's state and discard the blockchain's history. If computational debt grows too quickly then it may take 6 months to replay 1 year worth of transactions. It is critical, therefore, that the computational debt be carefully managed.

Blockchain state storage is information that is accessible from application logic. It includes information such as order books and account balances. If the state is never read by the application then it should not be stored. For example, blog post content and comments are not read by application logic so they should not be stored in the blockchain's state. Meanwhile the existence of a post/comment, the number of votes, and other properties do get stored as part of the blockchain's state.

Block producers publish their available capacity for bandwidth, computation, and state. The EOS.IO software allows each account to consume a percentage of the available capacity proportional to the amount of tokens held in a 3-day staking contract. For example, if a blockchain based on the EOS.IO software is launched and if an account holds 1% of the total tokens distributable pursuant to that blockchain, then that account has the potential to utilize 1% of the state storage capacity.

Adopting the EOS.IO software on a launched blockchain means bandwidth and computational capacity are allocated on a fractional reserve basis because they are transient (unused capacity cannot be saved for future use). The algorithm used by EOS.IO software is similar to the algorithm used by Steem to rate-limit bandwidth usage.

Re: What Goldman Is Telling Big Money Clients About Bitcoin

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As a long term owner of Bitcoin, I can say this is the absolute worst time to start investing in it. It's development has been taken over by a group of mentally unstable developers with weird personal agendas and beliefs. The official Bitcoin website and subreddit are heavily censored and are no longer a reliable source of information. It's widely reported elsewhere that their moderator stole millions of dollars wort…

> As a long term owner of Bitcoin, I can say this is the absolute worst time to start investing in it. It's development has been taken over by a group of mentally unstable developers with weird personal agendas and beliefs. The official Bitcoin website and subreddit are heavily censored and are no longer a reliable source of information. It's widely reported elsewhere that their moderator stole millions of dollars wo…

> In control since day one

I don't know much about bitcoin, but I do know that the original people who took over from Satoshi (Gavin Andresen, Mike Hearn) were ousted in rather ugly and public ways a couple of years ago. As far as Roger Ver is concerned, I believe he is also one of the earliest people in the space.

EDIT: Come to think of it, the people currently leading bitcoin development originally told Satoshi (on the crypto mailing list) that bitcoin would never work (Greg Maxwell and Adam Back both).

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Litecoin is extremely undervalued. Ethereum has an incredibly bright future, Monero is an incredible tool for privacy. Check out bitfinex.com and start trading pairs there. They have a description under every currency that should help.

It wasn't long ago that crypto prices on Bitfinex were quite a lot higher than other exchanges because you couldn't withdraw national currencies [0]. Are their banking issues all resolved now? Also, if you're domiciled in the US, Bitfinex won't even do business with you [1]. For US customers who what to be legal, Gemini seems pretty solid and verifies new accounts quickly, though they only support Bitcoin and Ethereu…

I know this, but you can still use Bitfinex by depositing crypto and using a VPN. Not really "illegal".

Gemini is great, but they are slow to verify and as you stated very limited on your trading pairs.

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Litecoin is extremely undervalued. Ethereum has an incredibly bright future, Monero is an incredible tool for privacy. Check out bitfinex.com and start trading pairs there. They have a description under every currency that should help.

> Litecoin is extremely undervalued. How did you decide this?

It is faster that Bitcoin (~2.5min avg block time vs ~10min), has a vibrant community, and still very secure. Easier entry price, and you can spend $5 without a $3 fee, or any fee at all.

It also already has SegWit and has for months.

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What use case is there for a distributed ledger that is superior to a centralized ledger? As soon as a critical mass is formed around a particular use case, consortiums, i.e. governments will form to regulate and enforce trust and the system will move to far more efficient centralized ledgers.

The main use cases for decentralization are: absolute control of your money, and censorship resistance. Think deeply about what this means. Most people have no idea. Just a few examples (typing on the phone): no company or system can accidentally/intentionally deny your transactions, no merchants can charge you against your will, harder for oppressive government to seize wallets of targeted citizens/organizations, et…

Sort of. You can implement a KYC layer on too of Bitcoin, and have government-sanctioned "clean" versus illegal "tainted" coins.

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What use case is there for a distributed ledger that is superior to a centralized ledger? As soon as a critical mass is formed around a particular use case, consortiums, i.e. governments will form to regulate and enforce trust and the system will move to far more efficient centralized ledgers.

The main use cases for decentralization are: absolute control of your money, and censorship resistance. Think deeply about what this means. Most people have no idea. Just a few examples (typing on the phone): no company or system can accidentally/intentionally deny your transactions, no merchants can charge you against your will, harder for oppressive government to seize wallets of targeted citizens/organizations, et…

I see the appeal in those things for some people.

But I think most people are happy to forego those things and not have to worry about losing significant chunks of cash to fat-finger mistakes or hacks.

When most people barely know what a browser is, illuminating them to the intricacies of bitcoin seems a tall task. And if they can just use some system like Coinbase and "not even know they're using bitcoin," then they're essentially just using Paypal.

It's hard to see how it ever goes beyond a very niche market, and as long as that niche market is in a speculative frenzy it's hard to see how it becomes of much use to that market beyond a vehicle for speculation.

And should some group trade amongst themselves while avoiding censorship from some other group, the persecuted group as it grows in number becomes likely to use it's numerical sway to influence the govt doing the censorship in a new direction, or form a new govt that facilitates more efficient trade between the group.

And efficiency here refers not just to a couple ledgers instead of thousands, but also the massively reduced overhead of every member not having to do extensive security themselves, but rather offloading the security to central authorities.

Trust is beneficial to society, the more trust in a society the better a society scores on a host of other metrics.

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> Litecoin is extremely undervalued. How did you decide this?

It is faster that Bitcoin (~2.5min avg block time vs ~10min), has a vibrant community, and still very secure. Easier entry price, and you can spend $5 without a $3 fee, or any fee at all. It also already has SegWit and has for months.

"Easier entry price" is a non-argument, it's always been known Bitcoin would become expensive and trading in single BTC would not be viable; that's why BTC and other cryptocurrencies are expressed in floating point numbers / Satoshis. You can buy 1 Litecoin or 0.01 Bitcoin (example), doesn't matter that much other than having a full number. But the investment price is the same.

Re: What Goldman Is Telling Big Money Clients About Bitcoin

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As a long term owner of Bitcoin, I can say this is the absolute worst time to start investing in it. It's development has been taken over by a group of mentally unstable developers with weird personal agendas and beliefs. The official Bitcoin website and subreddit are heavily censored and are no longer a reliable source of information. It's widely reported elsewhere that their moderator stole millions of dollars wort…

For anyone reading this, don't take this comment as gospel, or the comments disagreeing. There are 2 factions, they both generally hate each other and there's an incredible amount of shilling, astroturfing, etc. From both sides. There are also genuine people in both sides. Blockstream, the company that employs some of the current core devs are the devil for some, saviors for others. That "moderator", Theymos, is a knowledgeable and fair guy for some, a petty tyrant and thief for others. If you go to the main subreddits for both factions, they spent most of their time taking digs at the other faction and quoting whoever supports their position, no matter how silly their arguments are. There's very strong groupthink and tribalism and to me it looks dangerously like the_donald or something like that.

I don't have a dog in this fight. In fact it's so confusing I don't know which of both factions has a better case. But I'm pretty sure the wild accusations both fling at each other are in many cases heavily based on agendas. Take everything you read with a grain of salt.

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