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Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be very interesting to prove this, but their argument is mostly circumstantial so far.

The fact that Google is refusing to deny it is, in my view, pretty strong circumstantial evidence.

That is... a really silly position to take.

(I work for Google but on nothing remotely related)

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

#32
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be very interesting to prove this, but their argument is mostly circumstantial so far.

The fact that Google is refusing to deny it is, in my view, pretty strong circumstantial evidence.

Not necessarily. Google may not comment on these things as a matter of policy; for example, let's say that Google is required by some law to censor a particular search result. If they are in the habit of announcing their censorship decisions, then their silence on that one site would be non-silence. They would have to lie about the site instead. So, from a company liability perspective, Google is cautious about revealing information.

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Meh, I have a hard time caring about this because I want Google to block propaganda and misinformation. From my experience, socialist websites and forums tend to ignore, rewrite, or white wash the history of communism in Russia/USSR, Venezuela, and even North Korea. So much so that the No True Scotsman fallacy should just be the No True Socialist fallacy. Go check out /r/socialism if you want your head to spin. Accor…

It's almost like "truth" isn't an absolute thing, but an ongoing discussion... which has become fractured!

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Gee, wouldn't it be great if we could just look up the open-source code for the most popular search engine on the "open" Internet?

Given the amount of power and money they now have, effectively having "won the game," it seems ethical to me to open-source their entire search algorithm.

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

...how far does "propaganda and misinformation" go? Political parties also put out propaganda and misinformation, as do businesses and individuals.

Marketing is not the same as propaganda and straight up lying about historical facts. If you claim there weren't famines in the Soviet Union, you're either a liar or a fool. I am fine with those being removed from Google. Separating the wheat from the chaff is the entire point of Google search. They should ban all disinformation sites, Fox News, Breitbart, and InfoWars would be a good start to add to WSWS. Salon and…

Whoah whoah whoah, how is marketing different than propoganda?

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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EDIT: I've noticed all the replies and I'd like to acknowledge them. Unfortunately I feel very stupid for not screenshotting what I saw when I searched one hour ago. I now see 62,900 results, and I can load up to page 6. I can't prove that I was not able to load page 2 before, but it's true.

My original comment remains unedited below.

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For a concrete demonstration of pathological de-ranking, do a query for "site:web.archive.org".

I get "59,000 results" on page 1, but page 2 will never load!

There are a few results, which proves that a) web.archive.org are not using robots.txt or other blocking techniques, and b) that Google's infrastructure is inhaling content. But it's invisible.

Think about how sad this is - once a site goes dead, it's offline, even though the content is still publicly accessible. If only that context was indexed using a decent search engine.

Practically speaking, I totally acknowledge that archived content is complex to surface; sites can be pulled offline because content needs to be disappeared for any number of reasons, etc. I recognize the general difficulty of getting this right. So I'm not _really_ arguing "if only this were surfaced", because it's unfair to - I'm more saying "hey look, this is what it looks like when something has been completely killed," as a demonstrable and extreme datapoint.

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Bullshit. A Google search for "socialist news" returns wsws.org as the #2 response. #1 is socialistworks.org, a competing site.

> the company instructed its search evaluators to flag pages returning “conspiracy theories” or “upsetting” content unless “the query clearly indicates the user is seeking an alternative viewpoint.”

"Socialist news" would be one of the searches that "indicates the user is seeking an alternative viewpoint."

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Meh, I have a hard time caring about this because I want Google to block propaganda and misinformation. From my experience, socialist websites and forums tend to ignore, rewrite, or white wash the history of communism in Russia/USSR, Venezuela, and even North Korea. So much so that the No True Scotsman fallacy should just be the No True Socialist fallacy. Go check out /r/socialism if you want your head to spin. Accor…

This is ironic, right?
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