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The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a 'shaming' programme

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Re: The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a 'shaming' programme

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Post by jtuente »

yannyu wrote: post #13
ebola1717 wrote: post #3

This tweet was unsurprisingly prescient: https://twitter.com/campster/status/894749657091284992

Wingnut Welfare is a real thing: Wingnut welfare is an important, underrated feature of the modern U.S. political scene. I don’t know who came up with the term, but anyone who follows right-wing careers knows whereof I speak: the lavishly-funded ecosystem of billionaire-financed think tanks, media outlets, and so on provides a comfortable cushion for politicians and pundits who tell such people what they want to hear…

It's definitely not just right-wing

Re: The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a 'shaming' programme

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Post by ajross »

mikeash wrote: post #27
ajross wrote: post #4

FTA: > Damore said: "I went to a diversity programme at Google, it was ... not recorded, totally secretive. I heard things that I definitely disagreed with in some of our programmes. I had some discussions there, there was lots of just shaming, and 'No you can’t say that, that's sexist' and 'You can't do this.' That is, he took a bland corporate diversity training class and tried starting fights. The tell here is "yo…

This whole thing has been a wonderful example of trolling, in the old-school sense where you say something superficially calm and reasoned but which will inflame passions and start a big argument. We are so prone to evaluating messages based on their form. If someone is ranting and cursing and shouting, we fundamentally assume that they're irrational. If someone speaks calmly and clearly and uses objective wording we…

Exactly. Really, this is the strongest, best-constructed and best-applied "anti-SJW screed" we've seen yet. Gamergate sucked young-white-male-techies in, but made no sense to anyone else. This is the spin they should have taken from the beginning. "Guy got fired by Google for making perfectly reasonable points about why women aren't good at tech" is something every conservative can get behind.

Clearly Google messed up here and walked into a trap.

Re: The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a 'shaming' programme

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Post by howdydutty »

ajross wrote: post #22
vanattab wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if you tell your diversity class that women aren't cut out for work at Google, you're going to cause a fight When did he ever say that?

It was the thesis of his viral letter[1]. I'm simply supposing that he tried out the same argument in an informal context first, and that's what he's complaining about here. [1] Yes, it was. Don't pretend that it wasn't. If he genuinely felt that women and minorities were just as valuable candidates why did he write 10 pages about why efforts to ensure their inclusion were hurting google? The fact that he framed the…

But he wasn't insinuating that diversity was hurting google.. he was suggesting reasons for why he thought there wasn't enough diversity and how it could be beneficial.

Re: The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a 'shaming' programme

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Post by Hnthrowaway768 »

justinleewells wrote: post #28
Hnthrowaway768 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

James Damore has shown an amazing strength of character and is a hero for doing what he did.

James, you should really stay off the of the internet. The reaction to your antics may be depressing.

Justin, that's a very weird reply and to be honest you sound deranged.

Here's an interview with James:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=TN1vEfqHGro

Re: The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a 'shaming' programme

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Post by camperman »

ajross wrote: post #22
vanattab wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if you tell your diversity class that women aren't cut out for work at Google, you're going to cause a fight When did he ever say that?

It was the thesis of his viral letter[1]. I'm simply supposing that he tried out the same argument in an informal context first, and that's what he's complaining about here. [1] Yes, it was. Don't pretend that it wasn't. If he genuinely felt that women and minorities were just as valuable candidates why did he write 10 pages about why efforts to ensure their inclusion were hurting google? The fact that he framed the…

> I'm simply supposing that he tried out the same argument in an informal context first, and that's what he's complaining about here.

Right, so you made that up. You're objecting strongly to something you THINK he MAY have done. Maybe.

> [1] Yes, it was. Don't pretend that it wasn't.

His thesis speaks for itself. Your objection to it is really your objection to what you THINK he means, instead of what he said. I think you may have just proved a few of his points.

Re: The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a 'shaming' programme

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Post by nacs »

ebola1717 wrote: post #3

This tweet was unsurprisingly prescient: https://twitter.com/campster/status/894749657091284992

Surprising (or maybe not so surprising) what kind of Youtuber he went to:

> Damore made the comments in his first major interview since being fired, to alt-right YouTube personality Stefan Molyneux.

Re: The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a 'shaming' programme

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Post by neilellis »

Naive and privileged person starts flamewar based on their calmly reasoned explanation of why their privileged group are inherently better suited to do their job than other less privileged group; after attempts to show them that they are indeed privileged and that others may also be as competent.

Due to intense backlash said naive and privileged person joins angry privileged people on a road to genuine hatred. All the while claiming that they are the underprivileged group.

sigh

Re: The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a 'shaming' programme

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

ajross wrote: post #4

FTA: > Damore said: "I went to a diversity programme at Google, it was ... not recorded, totally secretive. I heard things that I definitely disagreed with in some of our programmes. I had some discussions there, there was lots of just shaming, and 'No you can’t say that, that's sexist' and 'You can't do this.' That is, he took a bland corporate diversity training class and tried starting fights. The tell here is "yo…

> 'No you can’t say that, that's sexist' and 'You can't do this.'

Well, that's certainly an accurate description of a corporate diversity seminar.

I just completed a corporate training about bribery, just lots of "No you can't accept that gift", "No, you can't give the contract to someone who's family works for the government in return". If I'd been accepting bribes I'd probably feel shamed.

Re: The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a 'shaming' programme

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Post by lemagedurage »

mikeash wrote: post #27
ajross wrote: post #4

FTA: > Damore said: "I went to a diversity programme at Google, it was ... not recorded, totally secretive. I heard things that I definitely disagreed with in some of our programmes. I had some discussions there, there was lots of just shaming, and 'No you can’t say that, that's sexist' and 'You can't do this.' That is, he took a bland corporate diversity training class and tried starting fights. The tell here is "yo…

This whole thing has been a wonderful example of trolling, in the old-school sense where you say something superficially calm and reasoned but which will inflame passions and start a big argument. We are so prone to evaluating messages based on their form. If someone is ranting and cursing and shouting, we fundamentally assume that they're irrational. If someone speaks calmly and clearly and uses objective wording we…

It's a "wonderful example of trolling", not because of the presentation, but because the content is controversial?

To me it seems the man is trying to change the accepted political view rather than to spark controversy for the sake of it. Both approaches spark controversy, only the latter is trolling.

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