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Drug Submarine Seized In Ecuador Is Huge Leap For Smugglers

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I wonder how much they would pay for some of the old Soviet diesel subs - they are properly to expensive to scuttle after one trip, but they can properly carry a lot more than these homemade ones, and they would be better at evading radar too.

Yeah, but the US Navy might be inclined to deal a tad bit differently with a bunch of russian subs approaching the US shore.

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That's the problem with wars - they lead to arms races.... The sooner western governments start looking into the development of safer recreational drugs (ie no worse than alcohol, and preferably with low dependence), the sooner we can get rid of drug lords, drug wars, and all the killing and suffering that goes with it. Stupid stupid stupid....

legalization itself would make drugs safer. half the problem with illegal drug safety is the inconsistency in potency. But when products are legal, brands develop that have an interest in delivering quality. And they have bank accounts. That guy in the alley really doesn't. If I remember correctly, I think there's even a chemical you can add to cocaine that prevents overdose. No real incentive to do that when its an…

A living customer is far more profitable even to drug lords than a dead one.

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I did a little digging around a little more than a year ago when I had read about the narcotics submersibles. With this step up to full submarines I'm thinking that the people using these can now have them built in almost any location next to the sea around the world. Somalia would seem to be a good place to build, no government to sieze them.

What I find odd is that they're hiding their construction efforts at all. Why not start a company and build them out in the open? It's not like it's illegal to construct submarines.

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Both this submarine and the semi-submersibles they had earlier have crews. It'd be very interesting if they can develop something completely autonomous. E.g. a 10 meter tube that navigates by GPS, occasionally surfaces to get its bearings, and has enough diesel for a ~5000km ocean voyage.

You could program that to zig-zag across the ocean and land on a beach somewhere, where you could extract the cargo, refuel it, and send it back.

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post #34

Both this submarine and the semi-submersibles they had earlier have crews. It'd be very interesting if they can develop something completely autonomous. E.g. a 10 meter tube that navigates by GPS, occasionally surfaces to get its bearings, and has enough diesel for a ~5000km ocean voyage. You could program that to zig-zag across the ocean and land on a beach somewhere, where you could extract the cargo, refuel it, an…

There have been oceangoing robots designed to move with very little power by exploiting buoyancy and gliding on dive planes. Swarms of such small drones could be exceedingly hard to detect and could be made cheaply in large numbers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_glider

The practical range of these things is literally ocean-spanning. Program these on roundabout courses and land them in random places on the coast. They would be very hard to track.

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it will be taxed, and probably at a higher rate than other products. The trick is to tax it at such a level that fraud (smuggling) is contained within acceptable bounds. For example, normal VAT here in the Netherlands (only country I know the rates of by heart, I have no reason to believe that it's significantly different in the rest of Western Europe) is 19% ; cigarettes are taxed at close to 300 % (VAT +…

Seeing the sales of cigarettes on reservation that do not honor state taxes and the number of customers buying, I would say paragraph one is not completely true. Smuggling is happening, it is just from a legal source.

I don't understand - yes there is smuggling, but on a small as I indicated. In Western Europe (the area I restricted myself to in my post) most of the fraudulent import comes from Eastern Europe and Russia, so yes they are bought legally there and then imported. Likewise, a fair number of people drive to Luxembourg where the tax rates are lower.

I take it that you mean that (Native American or Aboriginal?) reservations have autonomy when it comes to taxation and that they leverage that to attract tobacco customers from outside the reservation. Which makes sense, but I'm hard pressed to believe that it's a significant amount of total consumption. My back-of-the-envelope calculations (based on estimates of the World Bank and 40% of the EU population smoking 10 cigarettes a day) say that in the EU on less than 10% of all cigarettes smoked, no taxes have been paid. Which is not that much.

Of course if you have numbers that show that in the case you indicate the percentages are different I'd be interested to learn.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine_Cowboys is a good documentary on the drug trade that has an interesting portion on the use of submersibles in the drug trade. That documentary came out in 2006 and it showed how drug runners had already evolved past these vessels by using containers shaped like driftwood logs and attaching them by long ropes to fishing vessels. The driftwood containers had gps trackers on them so…

You don't even need GPS trackers on the containers. Just note the GPS location at the time you cut the rope. Have a transponder aboard that listens for a specific signal before it starts transmitting. Such devices would be cheap to make and might be harder to detect than GPS devices which broadcast location signals.

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That's the problem with wars - they lead to arms races.... The sooner western governments start looking into the development of safer recreational drugs (ie no worse than alcohol, and preferably with low dependence), the sooner we can get rid of drug lords, drug wars, and all the killing and suffering that goes with it. Stupid stupid stupid....

legalization itself would make drugs safer. half the problem with illegal drug safety is the inconsistency in potency. But when products are legal, brands develop that have an interest in delivering quality. And they have bank accounts. That guy in the alley really doesn't. If I remember correctly, I think there's even a chemical you can add to cocaine that prevents overdose. No real incentive to do that when its an…

Might it not be better to make drugs less safe? Kill off all the users, and there's no market.

What we should do is make it illegal for hospitals to treat overdoses.

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#39
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

legalization itself would make drugs safer. half the problem with illegal drug safety is the inconsistency in potency. But when products are legal, brands develop that have an interest in delivering quality. And they have bank accounts. That guy in the alley really doesn't. If I remember correctly, I think there's even a chemical you can add to cocaine that prevents overdose. No real incentive to do that when its an…

A living customer is far more profitable even to drug lords than a dead one.

Yes, but I don't think drug lords have a problem with the supply of those.

Re: Drug Submarine Seized In Ecuador Is Huge Leap For Smugglers

#40
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

legalization itself would make drugs safer. half the problem with illegal drug safety is the inconsistency in potency. But when products are legal, brands develop that have an interest in delivering quality. And they have bank accounts. That guy in the alley really doesn't. If I remember correctly, I think there's even a chemical you can add to cocaine that prevents overdose. No real incentive to do that when its an…

Might it not be better to make drugs less safe? Kill off all the users, and there's no market. What we should do is make it illegal for hospitals to treat overdoses.

Why not just enforce a death penalty for drug use?

And maybe excessive parking tickets?

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