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Real people don't need end-to-end encryption says UK Home Secretary

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Re: Real people don't need end-to-end encryption says UK Home Secretary

#31

Basically she's saying chat apps in the UK shouldn't be allowed end-to-end encryption. So the terrorists will setup a chat system that look like payments. In the mean-time, the UK government will use our chat to identify harmless political dissidents, groom them online and then fail to incite them to violence. Given previous performance, they will meet some of their targets, get a few pregnant and then get sued 20 ye…

I wonder how many whatscrap groups are there for fly-tippers.

Re: Real people don't need end-to-end encryption says UK Home Secretary

#32

Basically she's saying chat apps in the UK shouldn't be allowed end-to-end encryption. So the terrorists will setup a chat system that look like payments. In the mean-time, the UK government will use our chat to identify harmless political dissidents, groom them online and then fail to incite them to violence. Given previous performance, they will meet some of their targets, get a few pregnant and then get sued 20 ye…

How could they prevent terrorists to develop their own end-2-end encrypted chat app?

Re: Real people don't need end-to-end encryption says UK Home Secretary

#33

Basically she's saying chat apps in the UK shouldn't be allowed end-to-end encryption. So the terrorists will setup a chat system that look like payments. In the mean-time, the UK government will use our chat to identify harmless political dissidents, groom them online and then fail to incite them to violence. Given previous performance, they will meet some of their targets, get a few pregnant and then get sued 20 ye…

Say a smartphone app ran both an https client and server. For users to send each other messages, they connect to each others servers. That's end to end encryption, right? And looks identical to the type of encryption they'd still allow right? What have I missed?

Re: Real people don't need end-to-end encryption says UK Home Secretary

#34
Banning encryption won't hurt the bad guys since they can always use codes. I believe the Sept 2001 terrorists used terms like "birthday. Are", "candles" (for the WTC) etc.

It will simply destroy the privacy of ordinary people who set up a dinner or buy a birthday present for their kids

Re: Real people don't need end-to-end encryption says UK Home Secretary

#35
Banning encryption won't hurt the bad guys since they can always use codes. I believe the Sept 2001 terrorists used terms like "birthday. Are", "candles" (for the WTC) etc.

It will simply destroy the privacy of ordinary people who set up a dinner or buy a birthday present for their kids

Re: Real people don't need end-to-end encryption says UK Home Secretary

#36

Basically she's saying chat apps in the UK shouldn't be allowed end-to-end encryption. So the terrorists will setup a chat system that look like payments. In the mean-time, the UK government will use our chat to identify harmless political dissidents, groom them online and then fail to incite them to violence. Given previous performance, they will meet some of their targets, get a few pregnant and then get sued 20 ye…

How could they prevent terrorists to develop their own end-2-end encrypted chat app?

... or connecting with SSL to an overseas server under their control ?

Re: Real people don't need end-to-end encryption says UK Home Secretary

#37

Basically she's saying chat apps in the UK shouldn't be allowed end-to-end encryption. So the terrorists will setup a chat system that look like payments. In the mean-time, the UK government will use our chat to identify harmless political dissidents, groom them online and then fail to incite them to violence. Given previous performance, they will meet some of their targets, get a few pregnant and then get sued 20 ye…

Say a smartphone app ran both an https client and server. For users to send each other messages, they connect to each others servers. That's end to end encryption, right? And looks identical to the type of encryption they'd still allow right? What have I missed?

The follow up bill which makes it mandatory to have government spyware on all https servers?

Re: Real people don't need end-to-end encryption says UK Home Secretary

#38
Hilarious! Let's criminalize privacy and ask pointed questions to those who seek it.

Staggering double speak from Orwell's own land. Who would have thought.

Question: Is a terrorist more a threat to civilization or these closet totalitarians crawling out of the woodwork?

Re: Real people don't need end-to-end encryption says UK Home Secretary

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a necessary but not a sufficient condition. That doesn't make it useless.

I think the US proves that the "constitution" as any mechanism for safety is absurd. It's ignored or abused when it's convenient.

The problem is that the protections of civil liberties work for for the times and contexts under which they were formulated, but they are not adapted to evolving technology and culture as frequently as efforts to circumvent them.

It's reverse hill climbing via million slippery slopes.

Re: Real people don't need end-to-end encryption says UK Home Secretary

#40
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could they prevent terrorists to develop their own end-2-end encrypted chat app?

... or connecting with SSL to an overseas server under their control ?

They can't but if they catch you they can throw you in jail regardless of whether they can decrypt what you've transmitted or not.

So you have the choice of either getting thrown in jail or to give up the keys.

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