Tesla factory workers pushing for a union send demands to Tesla's Board

Post by forgotmysn » Mon, Jul 31, 2017, 10:14 PM UTC

michael_storm wrote: post #29

evolve2k wrote: post #15

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Ok yes, on re-reading I think this article is talking bullshit. The sentence does read "but has since told employees to report injuries directly to him", but the linked article behind the article then explains that he wants all injuries reported to him. Subtly different, dirty journalism. I think my point on us living in a "Musk can't do wrong bubble stands" but on this occasion it seems shoddy reporting should mean…

> Subtly different, dirty journalism. Or it was a mistake. Journalists sometimes make them, too.

Post by astrange » Mon, Jul 31, 2017, 10:16 PM UTC

Pulcinella wrote: post #22

komali2 wrote: post #19

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I feel like this is a dirty part of our culture and legal system - it almost seems like boards are legally obligated to seek as much profit as possible, even if at the expense of workers. This includes exploring ways to lobby to change laws, exploring breaking the law if that is more profitable than not doing so (i.e. paying fines instead of meeting emission standards), etc. I feel like if in today's America a CEO of…

It may seem like it but is actually not. CEO and board members are not legally required* to maximize "shareholder value." That is just a myth. *There are a few things they are prohibited to do that are vaguely similar. They can't sell the company for $1 or destroy the value of the company intentionally to screw over shareholders.

Post by mtl_usr » Mon, Jul 31, 2017, 10:18 PM UTC

lawrenceyan wrote: post #2

It seems like with any company that has a huge divide in terms of knowledge/skill/salaried jobs, i.e. Tesla engineers vs. factory workers or Lyft developers vs. drivers, there will always be a bias towards the smaller elite core. I wonder how this will play out in the future as class divides between high skilled versus low skilled workers become more and more ever present within the oncoming wave of mass automation.

Post by elmar » Mon, Jul 31, 2017, 10:28 PM UTC

elmar wrote: post #25

Daishiman wrote: post #10

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Germany's manufacturing companies have massive union presence in everything they do and they're some of the most successful in the planet. Let's stop with this ridiculous demonization of unions. American corporations have chosen a confrontational model with unions and staff. It doesn't have to be this way. There are better models around if the owners of capital are willing to cooperate with workers.

Germany's manufacturers are heavily subsidised by the government and have a big advantage of a lower value EU currency than they would have if they still traded on the German mark.

Post by enknamel » Mon, Jul 31, 2017, 10:33 PM UTC

AlexC04 wrote: post #12

I'm a Tesla shareholder (of little significance in the grand scheme of things, but I bought some) and this wouldn't put me off. In fact, I think they should have a union.