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Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by yulaow »

colordrops wrote: post #29
freshhawk wrote: post #20

So zero political solutions here? Just a list of technological aspects of a solution? How can people not know that the problem here is getting people to do something, it is definitely not that we don't know what to do which is a minor problem in comparison. What about a group who have starving children and will clear-cut a forest to feed them no matter what agreements are in place? How much violence is used to enforc…

Doesn't it seem though that politics is a deadlock, with nations playing a game of chicken that has no winner? It's a case of the tragedy of the commons. No power broker is going to sacrifice their economy or political backers enough to make a difference, as there would always be someone else with a more short term view take advantage of their temporary weakness. It seems that there is no feasible solution other than…

The problem is that the economical background of our society is based on exploiting all resources and pushing the limits of the society itself (both with high reproduction rates and in mass production of goods).

If we want to change the climate situation, we first need to change the whole economic system and related political measures.

Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by fooker »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #23

My personal thought is to make a geoengineering company to perform carbon sequestration. At first you would figure out how to grow large amounts of switchgrass and or algae using some type of automated planting either in deserts or in the ocean. Then start breeding or make GMO plants that would more efficiently sequester carbon. Also, try to make other systems that would lower temperature like a space based shade or…

Doesn't seem this stands to make money, so not many people will be interested.

Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by colordrops »

yulaow wrote: post #31
colordrops wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't it seem though that politics is a deadlock, with nations playing a game of chicken that has no winner? It's a case of the tragedy of the commons. No power broker is going to sacrifice their economy or political backers enough to make a difference, as there would always be someone else with a more short term view take advantage of their temporary weakness. It seems that there is no feasible solution other than…

The problem is that the economical background of our society is based on exploiting all resources and pushing the limits of the society itself (both with high reproduction rates and in mass production of goods). If we want to change the climate situation, we first need to change the whole economic system and related political measures.

I agree with you, but my point is that is impossible, because of said power brokers not willing to risk their power.

Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

#35

Post by guscost »

yulaow wrote: post #31
colordrops wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't it seem though that politics is a deadlock, with nations playing a game of chicken that has no winner? It's a case of the tragedy of the commons. No power broker is going to sacrifice their economy or political backers enough to make a difference, as there would always be someone else with a more short term view take advantage of their temporary weakness. It seems that there is no feasible solution other than…

The problem is that the economical background of our society is based on exploiting all resources and pushing the limits of the society itself (both with high reproduction rates and in mass production of goods). If we want to change the climate situation, we first need to change the whole economic system and related political measures.

Speaking more as an engineer than as a contrarian here: If that's your plan, you're going to fail at it.

Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by Aloha »

I think trying to argue specifically about climate change in the US at least - is dead - politics as such prevent the scope of change needed - that said - we as a planet should work more on sustainability - there are technological and cultural solutions that can be put in place, (mostly by private industry) to make the way we consume our planets limited natural resources more sustainable.

Carbon as far as I'm concerned has turned into a straw man preventing us on working on the larger (and more complex) problem of sustainability.

I think another thing to consider for a moment is, if we want a "western" standard of living for all people living on this planet, we either need less people, or we need to figure out how to use the limited resources we have a lot more efficiently.

Humans in the end will adapt to a warmer planet - the range of habitable places however may change - this says nothing to the other animals living here - they're not so lucky.

Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by dboreham »

Aloha wrote: post #36

I think trying to argue specifically about climate change in the US at least - is dead - politics as such prevent the scope of change needed - that said - we as a planet should work more on sustainability - there are technological and cultural solutions that can be put in place, (mostly by private industry) to make the way we consume our planets limited natural resources more sustainable. Carbon as far as I'm concern…

Fewer people.

Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by evanlivingston »

colordrops wrote: post #34
yulaow wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that the economical background of our society is based on exploiting all resources and pushing the limits of the society itself (both with high reproduction rates and in mass production of goods). If we want to change the climate situation, we first need to change the whole economic system and related political measures.

I agree with you, but my point is that is impossible, because of said power brokers not willing to risk their power.

If history relied on those in power giving up their power, rather than people taking power away from them, we would be living in a very different world.

Political vs. technological is a false dichotomy. There are many other dimensions to the world. Personally, I think we need a monumental social breakthrough akin to the enlightenment to solve climate change.

Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by photon-torpedo »

colordrops wrote: post #32

It only covers two types of solutions, reducing carbon emissions and carbon sequestration. What about more extreme or dangerous solutions such as weather manipulation and reflecting solar energy through materials in orbit?

They are dangerous, as you say. If you had to choose between global warming and a new ice age, what would you prefer?

Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by colordrops »

evanlivingston wrote: post #38
colordrops wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you, but my point is that is impossible, because of said power brokers not willing to risk their power.

If history relied on those in power giving up their power, rather than people taking power away from them, we would be living in a very different world. Political vs. technological is a false dichotomy. There are many other dimensions to the world. Personally, I think we need a monumental social breakthrough akin to the enlightenment to solve climate change.

But people don't rebel until some force was clearly threatening their survival. If people rebel only when their immediate survival is threatened by global warming, it will already be too late.
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