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Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by konart »

smhost wrote: post #28
konart wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> involved no personal judgement, only a response to user demand So it is okay to remove stuff just because somebody was offended? Why nobody is banning Rammstein concerts then? I'm pretty sure many people will find band's name offencive.

> So it is okay to remove stuff just because somebody was offended? Yep.

So... do you mind answering the second part then? Will they change ycombinator.com to something else if somebody is offended? Or will you change your "smhost" if I'm gonna tell you it offends me?

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by scandox »

> like working for the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children

Am I right in saying that this guy works for the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (presumably in Portugal)? Because for some reason it seems particularly weird to me that someone in that organisation would find that domain name amusing. Maybe it is some kind of professional gallows humour?

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by jrimbault »

microcolonel wrote: post #24
zimpenfish wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would I be making a huge mistake? They are clearly incapable of behaving professionally and, since the whole thrust of that thread is "Arch wants to behave professionally", booting them would align with that perfectly.

Maybe the laid-back, results oriented nature of Arch Linux is what got it here. The IRC and mailing list are openly hostile to people who do not read the manual, and yet it has consistently been the best goddamn Linux distro on the planet earth for the solid five years I've used it. It is on the backs of people like this that Arch Linux was built, and if that laissez faire atmosphere deteriorates, I suspect the produ…

(I am a full time arch user and occasionally read some of the mailing lists)

I don't see how the RTFM mentality and what you call "laid back" mentality are compatible.

Imo, Arch is one of the more severe/strict distros and communities.

Guess it's all perception.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by viraptor »

konart wrote: post #31
smhost wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So it is okay to remove stuff just because somebody was offended? Yep.

So... do you mind answering the second part then? Will they change ycombinator.com to something else if somebody is offended? Or will you change your "smhost" if I'm gonna tell you it offends me?

> Why nobody is banning Rammstein concerts then?

Because they choose not to. Each venue, organisation, or city which lawfully has influence over such events has the right to refuse. Neither case is "banning".

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by AndrewDucker »

konart wrote: post #31
smhost wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So it is okay to remove stuff just because somebody was offended? Yep.

So... do you mind answering the second part then? Will they change ycombinator.com to something else if somebody is offended? Or will you change your "smhost" if I'm gonna tell you it offends me?

Context.

Bands get to name themselves how they like. Concert venues get to decide whether they care about the name.

"Loli" is a reference to underage girls, usually in a sexual context. Some people will be offended by this, and it's up to any organisation whether they want to be associated with this.

Similarly, if you tell someone "smhost" is offensive, and describe _why_ and _how_ it's offensive, it's up to them to decide whether they want to continue to be associated with it, or if they want to change.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by blowski »

konart wrote: post #31
smhost wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So it is okay to remove stuff just because somebody was offended? Yep.

So... do you mind answering the second part then? Will they change ycombinator.com to something else if somebody is offended? Or will you change your "smhost" if I'm gonna tell you it offends me?

You're arguing from a "it can't be right in any case without being right in all cases". This is a judgement call where they think it's likely to cause more damage to their brand than benefit. It's their brand, they get to make that judgement, whether they are right or wrong.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by kw71 »

microcolonel wrote: post #13
zimpenfish wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, if I was the Arch people, I'd boot him from the project just for the ridiculous self-preening nature of that email. And also for calling himself "Alucard". (This is why I'm not in charge of things, mind.)

You'd be making a huge mistake, and if I were at a higher station than you when you did that, I would be very close to booting you if could be argued as a net good or neutral to do so.

When your goal is to have a wide audience as possible it is a good practice to avoid bad taste.

We could have the same scenario with smart alecks committing code that has "fun" var and function names.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by jakobegger »

some people who contribute to open source projects are really nice and considerate people, and some are dicks. When someone makes significant contributions, people tolerate a bit of dickish behavior and shrug it of as the behavior of a slightly eccentric genius. But for everyone else, people won’t put up with your shit. If you want people to accept your contributions, be nice, and don’t be a dick.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by sigi45 »

konart wrote: post #19
JadeNB wrote: post #2

Is this anything but a fit of pique on the part of the maintainer of the mirror? It seems that the maintainer is mainly saying "because I have done many good things, no-one is allowed to complain about anything I do." It seemed that the notification was polite and professional, and made very clear that it involved no personal judgement, only a response to user demand. (The free-speech issue seems to be a red herring;…

> involved no personal judgement, only a response to user demand So it is okay to remove stuff just because somebody was offended? Why nobody is banning Rammstein concerts then? I'm pretty sure many people will find band's name offencive.

This is not black and white. There is no 'if someone things young girls sexualised istn fun' than 'rammstein should be cencured'.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by mijoharas »

konart wrote: post #31
smhost wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So it is okay to remove stuff just because somebody was offended? Yep.

So... do you mind answering the second part then? Will they change ycombinator.com to something else if somebody is offended? Or will you change your "smhost" if I'm gonna tell you it offends me?

To be fair to the parent comment I don't think it's equivalent.

If someone gets offended, you look and say "Why were they offended". Ask yourself if it's reasonable, if the case is that the name is referencing trafficking underage girls then you might think, OK, maybe this is a joke, but it is something that a reasonable person might get offended by and if you want to foster a professional atmosphere then you would change it.

I think if you went to the the arch maintainers and asked them to change the name pacman because you were traumatised by nightmares of the game pacman as a child they would tell you to get lost. However, that isn't really what is happening here.

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