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China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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The same state-owned Chinese carriers will sell you products in Hong Kong that when used in mainland China let you circumvent the great firewall. https://www.larrysalibra.com/hop-over-the-great-firewall-wit...

The regular crackdowns on VPNs mean that many who live in the region long since stopped using them and switched to a mobile plan or prepaid sim from China Mobile Hong Kong or Hong Kong Unicom that provides a Hong Kong IP address and unfiltered internet while roaming in the mainland.

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From my experience in China, it seems that the vast majority of Chinese citizens have no idea what a VPN is and or why they would use it. Friends of mine that are Chinese citizens that study abroad in the US make extensive use of VPNs to circumvent the GFW.

Every technology company that I've come across in China has invested a great deal of effort into establishing stable VPN connections. I have seen several "VPN microservices" that act to tunnel all foreign-bound traffic out of the country. In the vacuum of mature, western technologies many Chinese copycats have popped up. I have been hoping that we would start to see more and more Chinese technology companies exporting their technology [1]. With these new legislative actions, it seems like a step in the wrong direction.

I'm struggling to come to terms with the restrictive policies that the Chinese government continually struggles to hoist over their citizens. During the midst of one of the most dramatic periods of economic development in history, the Chinese government is moving to artificial isolate themselves from the developing global economy?

[1] Strikingly: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/striking-ly#/entity

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it can. By watching the size and timing of flows with 'regular HTTPS' traffic vs 'VPN HTTPS' traffic, it can be distinguished.

If you can calculate the difference, couldn't a VPN force their traffic to mimic that difference as well?

You can't disguise an elephant as a mouse.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

#34

China is one black swan event away from an economic collapse and possible Arab spring. The authoritarian Chinese government is starting to have some sense of fear now. Between the 300%+ gdp/debt ratio, second real estate bubble bursting in shanghai/tier1 cities, huge spike in shadow lending, stalled stock market, complete frozen capital control, Trump's 100 day ultimatum to China regarding trade deficit, demographics…

what you said above is nothing new, it has been claimed, argued, suggested, predicted in the last 35 years. There are even morons like Gordon Chang making a living by saying such stupid things.

you should probably contact Gordon Chang to see how you can get yourself on a similar payroll by making such claims.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

#35

From my experience in China, it seems that the vast majority of Chinese citizens have no idea what a VPN is and or why they would use it. Friends of mine that are Chinese citizens that study abroad in the US make extensive use of VPNs to circumvent the GFW. Every technology company that I've come across in China has invested a great deal of effort into establishing stable VPN connections. I have seen several "VPN mic…

This isn't the first time, either.

https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/663/why-did-chin...

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From my experience in China, it seems that the vast majority of Chinese citizens have no idea what a VPN is and or why they would use it. Friends of mine that are Chinese citizens that study abroad in the US make extensive use of VPNs to circumvent the GFW. Every technology company that I've come across in China has invested a great deal of effort into establishing stable VPN connections. I have seen several "VPN mic…

Like it or not, the GFW helped to created the "most dramatic periods of economic development" in Chinese history.

Back in 2010, when Google chose to exit China, many argued the exact same that China is isolating itself from the outside. Such feeling is understandable from a western point of view, I mean for anyone from a western background there is simply no Internet if google/twitter/fb etc. are all unavailable. However, a bold however, 7 years after Google's exit from China, it has been proved again and again that the biggest motivation of GFW is the protectionism aiming to help domestic Internet companies - and that actually paid off pretty well.

You don't need Google/fb/twitter etc to have booming Internet/high tech economy. Look at China's social media, online payment, e-commerce, online gaming, AI, shared economy etc, did China miss out. Let me give you a bloody simple number: I didn't use any cash or bank card/credit card in the last 45 days, everything, I mean 100% everything, was paid by mobile.

This is not about some cheap nationalism - it is _all_ about how many good paying jobs can be made available in China for Chinese. It is the exact same as the Making America Great Again crap. Blocking google/fb/twitter was the first essential step to achieve that.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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post #10

With China, there is a big difference between what is said, what is law and what is actually enforced. What's likely to happen is that there will be a crack down, some satisfying numbers will be shown to officials, and then everything will become back to normal soon after. There has been this kind of talk about cracking down on VPN before, and it's still available, so wait and see

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Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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From my experience in China, it seems that the vast majority of Chinese citizens have no idea what a VPN is and or why they would use it. Friends of mine that are Chinese citizens that study abroad in the US make extensive use of VPNs to circumvent the GFW. Every technology company that I've come across in China has invested a great deal of effort into establishing stable VPN connections. I have seen several "VPN mic…

This isn't the first time, either. https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/663/why-did-chin...

it is completely different, in the 15th Century, the Haijin policy was used to stop "barbarians" from flooding the country. there is nothing to gain from trading with the rest of the world because the country was ranked No.1 in the world in almost all metrics. today's GFW is to protect a young but fast growing industry - because the overall economy is not that strong.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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post #37

From my experience in China, it seems that the vast majority of Chinese citizens have no idea what a VPN is and or why they would use it. Friends of mine that are Chinese citizens that study abroad in the US make extensive use of VPNs to circumvent the GFW. Every technology company that I've come across in China has invested a great deal of effort into establishing stable VPN connections. I have seen several "VPN mic…

Like it or not, the GFW helped to created the "most dramatic periods of economic development" in Chinese history. Back in 2010, when Google chose to exit China, many argued the exact same that China is isolating itself from the outside. Such feeling is understandable from a western point of view, I mean for anyone from a western background there is simply no Internet if google/twitter/fb etc. are all unavailable. How…

Where are you in China? I just spent a week in a relatively small city in Shandong and there were so many places that were cash only. Couldn't even use card, let alone mobile.
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