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China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Reuters is blocked in China. China has been "closing" for 5 years now. According to "china watchers", this is expected to continue. Blame Xi.

5 years? China has been closing ever since the Olympics ended in...2008. Its been almost a decade now. Theory is they'll start opening up again in the run up to 2022...they can't really hold an Olympics while blocking all the major worldwide internet sites, too much face lost.

This definitely isn't just Xi's fault.

Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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The concept they use is “social harmony.” This is a sort of shorthand for discouraging people from developing strong, dissident, aberrant or divisive political positions. Discouraging people from taking on political identities in general, other than a unified chinese identity. Discouraging people from disparaging and/or distrusting the government. Keeping fringey social trends out of the mainstream. If you think of h…

China will consider democracy only when the credit bubble pops which will delegitimize the Communist party. Tianamen square was at the inflection point when Investment flooded into corrupt post maoist china, democratic movement was everywhere but was quashed by increasingly belligerent communists apparatchiks.

The CCP has only been able to eliminate dissent by eliminating moral hazard. They promised that the bubbles won't pop, so when they do, it isn't going to be pretty at all.

Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Eh? Don't think socialism is to blame here. Sweden, as an example, is a very socialist country and also with a high degree of freedom to look at whatever you want (almost).

Sweden isn't socialist at all, it's a social democracy. Social democracies do not aim at making means of production a common good.

By that token, china isn't socialist at all. It is an autocratic corporatist state that relies heavily on capitalism.

Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Well... Fortunately, there is still Taiwan, the only Chinese-speaking country where creativity and freedom of speech is nurtured and not censored!

Well, Singapore isn't that bad. Regardless, I'm not sure what Taiwan is going to save us from.

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Socialism is about collective ownership of industry. It has nothing to do with tax rates. The source of this misconception is likely decades of misinformation spouted by ahem certain American political groups that wanted to keep taxes low.

I always thought that was communism.

Communism can be considered a form of socialism. It's like socialism but with additional requirements. There are different interpretations of it (Leninism, Trotskyism, Maoism, etc.). What I would consider a "pure" definition of it would be socialism without the presence social classes, money, or the state (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism). This is necessarily much different from just socialism by itself.

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Ha! CCP don't give any shit about creativity . They want to be in control, including controlling creativity. In fact, if you're a Chinese people like me, you probably learned CCP's "Three Represents" when you in mid school. Which is: - "Represents advanced social productive forces" stands for economic production - "Represents the progressive course of China's advanced culture" stands for cultural development - "Repre…

Well, it certainly seems to be working, as most western countries seem to be coming apart at the seams, China continues its breathtaking transformation.

Don't mistake a curated highlight reel for ground truth.

I used to live in China when I was a kid. There are vast aspects both wonderful and terrible that never seem to make themselves known in the Western world. China has tremendous potential. It also has deep, systemic problems with no easy solution (or even a solution at all) in sight.

Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Reuters is blocked in China. China has been "closing" for 5 years now. According to "china watchers", this is expected to continue. Blame Xi.

5 years? China has been closing ever since the Olympics ended in...2008. Its been almost a decade now. Theory is they'll start opening up again in the run up to 2022...they can't really hold an Olympics while blocking all the major worldwide internet sites, too much face lost. This definitely isn't just Xi's fault.

It's almost like having a single political party is a bad thing for a society or something.

Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Well, it certainly seems to be working, as most western countries seem to be coming apart at the seams, China continues its breathtaking transformation.

Don't mistake a curated highlight reel for ground truth. I used to live in China when I was a kid. There are vast aspects both wonderful and terrible that never seem to make themselves known in the Western world. China has tremendous potential. It also has deep, systemic problems with no easy solution (or even a solution at all) in sight.

So just like any other country, which is amazing for a 1.x billion behemoth.

Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Newbie question but what is China's rationale for their internet censorship and firewall? What are they afraid of?

>Newbie question but what is China's rationale for their internet censorship and firewall? What are they afraid of?

Aside from the CCP wanting to maintain its control in-land, there's this little real issue, that 80% the internet is mostly controlled from a handful of companies, all in the hands of foreign nationals (who are all "patriotic" and all reside in countries other than China).

That is, things like search, social media, etc services are not a neutral international ground, but mostly dominated by a single country's companies. Those foreign countries get to siphon the data, dictate what's acceptable, promote their culture, viewpoints and national interests 24/7, censor or bury what they don't like, etc.

So, while lesser countries might bend over and take it, it makes sense for a country that is a superpower in itself, and has billions of people, to take control of its own web and have its own search, social media, etc -- orthogonally to if they censor them or not.

Ask yourselves: if Google, Facebook, Apple and Microsoft where e.g. Russian or Chinese, would the US (as a state and as citizens) be using them them all the same?

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