I stopped thinking the AHA were credible after they stuck dogmatically to their 'salt is evil' message despite the complete lack of any evidence to this effect, (and some evidence that low salt consumption is problematic).
Coconut oil isn't healthy and it's never been healthy
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#32I've been substituting to avocado oil. Seems healthy.
Is it expensive?
I've found that avocado oil is really expensive. I've only been able to find it at my local Whole Foods. Haven't checked Trader Joe's, though I'd wager that if they did have it, it'd be a bit less expensive than WF.
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#33As someone who drinks Bulletproof coffee (ala Brain Octane oil), how does this fit in? Is the concentrated coconut oil in brain octane oil also just as bad? Or is the fact that its very concentrated mean it contains less of the negative qualities? I feel like what this article is saying is that, just guzzling oil isn't good for you, which is obvious, but in small doses, is it ok?
Glad you mentioned Bulletproof. Asprey said once in one of his many videos that Coconut Oil doesn't work when combined with coffee because it contains bad saturated fats which you want to avoid. It does however contain MCT, but not in the ratio you want, hence his Octane oil products which only provide the good fats that you need.
How convenient for him that only his exact products will produce the desired effect.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's been increasing evidence that high cholesterol is a symptom of cardiovascular disease, not the cause. Editing because lots of people want sources. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4513492/ http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/panel-suggests-stop-warni... http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/6/e010401 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherosclerosis#Accelerated_gr... This is a group I was unaware of until p…
Can you link of that evidence? In form of scientific studies (quality ones)? This is not a general "you can't prove your point, you don't have science". I'm actually interested. I have been looking for hard science in this area and have seen none that would back up your claims.
I'm interested in this as well.
So far, all I've found is some research that artificially lowering LDL or raising HDL may not show clear correlation to lower heart disease risk- not quite the same thing as saying LDL isn't generally correlated to heart disease risk:
Broad overview:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cholesterol-conundrum/
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe0801608
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1107579Re: Coconut oil isn't healthy and it's never been healthy
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's been increasing evidence that high cholesterol is a symptom of cardiovascular disease, not the cause. Editing because lots of people want sources. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4513492/ http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/panel-suggests-stop-warni... http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/6/e010401 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherosclerosis#Accelerated_gr... This is a group I was unaware of until p…
There's not much of a correlation. I think only half of the cases of cardiovascular disease have elevated LDL cholesterol. It's always more complicated than simply having elevated cholesterol; it's overall diet, exercise, and plain old genetics that have the largest effect.
Agreed. Cardiovascular disease is definitely multifactorial, as are most diseases without a known genetic cause. Even those diseases with a clear genetic abnormality, the other factors contribute to the development of said disease.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Science or as N.N.Taleb says Scientism? There is an entire state in India where Coconut Oil is a main ingredient (Kerala) for centuries.
Indians also have surprisingly high rates of cardiovascular disease for a people with such low levels of obesity.
That is actually not very surprising. If you consider all the people in India, poverty and malnoursihment is still incredibly high. But there is much prosperity in the cities ... but healthy habits (like exercises, gym) have only recently started taking root. So obesity is more common amongst well to do Indians which in turn leads to cardiovascular diseases.
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#37It's precisely the fact that Coconut oil is 100% plant-based, saturated fat that it IS healthy. The notion that saturated fat causes heart disease has been thoroughly debunked as sham science. It's the inflammation in the arteries stimulated by excess sugar consumption (refined carbs, table sugar, soda, etc) that causes the problem. The body sends cholesterol to the scene to patch the damage.
Reference: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-...
Best analogy I've heard is "Gee whiz, everytime I see a fire, I see firemen. I guess firemen cause fires". Cholesterol does not cause heart disease all by itself.
You'd think scientists and the media, by this time, would have stopped relying on Dr. Ansel Keyes for their rationale for what causes heart disease. His 1950's "Seven Countries" study was an example of cherry-picked data to support a pre-determined outcome that was desired.
Reference: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-co...
Finally, I can show you cultures, such as the Inuit, who's diet is almost exclusively saturated fat and protein and which are healthy (as long as they stick to their native diet). I challenge anyone to show me a culture who's diet is primarily sugar-based which has comparable health.
Reference: http://www.theiflife.com/the-inuit-paradox-high-fat-lower-he...
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#38Good as cry-proof mascara remover tho. Just saying.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Science or as N.N.Taleb says Scientism? There is an entire state in India where Coconut Oil is a main ingredient (Kerala) for centuries.
>There is an entire state in India where Coconut Oil is a main ingredient (Kerala) for centuries. Don't they also defecate openly there? Doesn't seem like the best area to mimic public health wise.
Please refrain from Ad hominems like this. Depending on where you are from, I can probably find a similarly unpleasant public health characteristic, but does it really get anywhere in the argument?
Besides, they actually don't. Its one of the most progressive states in India with 100% literacy etc.
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#40Coconut oil is one of the more stable fats at high temperatures - which is a health benefit.
Or rather, it's less of a health detriment.