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Re: Membase a new NoSQL

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Post by pcarmichael »

mileszs wrote: post #13
pcarmichael wrote: post #10

The timing for me is interesting as I was just about to start up a cassandra setup here. This might be a better fit for my particular needs if I could get it running. Unfortunately, I'm having a difficult time figuring out where to start. A general getting started guide would be very helpful. - The FAQ on membase.org is empty and the wiki does not appear to be populated with much content (i.e. 'Directions for working…

I offer no counter or dissent to your post. However, apparently, the binaries have not yet been posted. Perhaps once they get that crucial detail finished, things will be clear. It appears they haven't even reached an actual beta stage. It might have been better for them to wait until everything was ready to go before launching the site publicly. Considering the 'front-end' of membase is memcached code, you should be…

MongoDB was ruled out because auto-sharding is still alpha (though it should be out of alpha soon, I'd prefer to wait and see what the community experience is with it first.)

Between Cassandra and Riak, I chose Cassandra because it can run on windows while Riak cannot. I needed it for a data store for some cluster computing work I'm doing, but for various reasons needed my test environment to be windows only. I think I can get rid of that restriction; perhaps benchmarking Riak vs. Cassandra for my particular use case is in order.

Re: Membase a new NoSQL

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Post by henrikschroder »

wmf wrote: post #20
ergo98 wrote: post #16

It's unfortunate there are no Windows binaries (well apparently there are no binaries yet period, but I mean they don't plan on binaries until some time out). We could host Linux VMs, but ideally we just run Windows binaries and get rid of the abstraction. That is the case for a large number of these products. At best offering a terrible Cygwin port. In the Windows world the premiere product right now is the beta of…

Porting software to a completely different culture isn't cheap and there's little incentive for volunteer open source projects to do it. If enough software that you want isn't available on Windows, it's probably cheaper for you to learn Unix.

There's plenty of people that want to volunteer porting projects to Windows, there are other hurdles such as Microsoft refusing to ship a C99 compiler, and getting the Windows port accepted into the main repo for the project.

Re: Membase a new NoSQL

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Post by silentbicycle »

JoachimSchipper wrote: post #27
jbooth wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be, actually, if it's going to be fast. Memcached is fast because it optimizes interaction with the I/O layers -- you can't stay portable if you do that. EDIT: Actually, you can use libevent for some subset of these cases and get speed+portability, but I'm pretty sure memcached predates libevent by quite a bit so they're not. So there's your answer.

The first commit to memcached on github is http://github.com/memcached/memcached/tree/32f382b605b4565bd... , which uses libevent. libevent has been around for a while...

Memcached predates github by quite a bit, actually. It was originally made as a caching layer for livejournal, and IIRC was made in the early half of the 00s. (Having a hard time finding an exact date, though.)

Re: Membase a new NoSQL

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Post by mahmud »

pcarmichael wrote: post #10

The timing for me is interesting as I was just about to start up a cassandra setup here. This might be a better fit for my particular needs if I could get it running. Unfortunately, I'm having a difficult time figuring out where to start. A general getting started guide would be very helpful. - The FAQ on membase.org is empty and the wiki does not appear to be populated with much content (i.e. 'Directions for working…

My work blocks IRC, so jumping on freenode isn't an option

Get yourself a shell account and run irssi under screen.

Re: Membase a new NoSQL

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Post by mahmud »

henrikschroder wrote: post #32
wmf wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porting software to a completely different culture isn't cheap and there's little incentive for volunteer open source projects to do it. If enough software that you want isn't available on Windows, it's probably cheaper for you to learn Unix.

There's plenty of people that want to volunteer porting projects to Windows, there are other hurdles such as Microsoft refusing to ship a C99 compiler, and getting the Windows port accepted into the main repo for the project.

Huh? Everyone builds with mingw. We shipped pure win32 desktop and service apps that were compiled with mingw.

The difficulties in porting to Windows are slightly more technical than just the availability of a free C compiler with C99 support, and project management politics.

Re: Membase a new NoSQL

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Post by mahmud »

zppx wrote: post #9

Had not the time to search through the codebase, but the source include 10 folders, a sysadmin's hell, some with software in C, some with software in C++ and some with python code, one of them is a folder named 'mencached'.

I worked on a project that had a directory named "manuel" and contained 8 C files and a file named "make.sh". I always thought it was some guy's private playground and shouldn't be touched. But once I dug into it I discovered a NIH implementation of Docbook + Doxygen + Markdown + grep + strings, and make.sh did what Makefile would have done, use make. And 'manuel' never existed, the French comments alerted me to guess what it really meant: Manual.

Re: Membase a new NoSQL

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Post by dlsspy »

silentbicycle wrote: post #33
JoachimSchipper wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first commit to memcached on github is http://github.com/memcached/memcached/tree/32f382b605b4565bd... , which uses libevent. libevent has been around for a while...

Memcached predates github by quite a bit, actually. It was originally made as a caching layer for livejournal, and IIRC was made in the early half of the 00s. (Having a hard time finding an exact date, though.)

If you want to know the exact date, look at the link you're suggesting is wrong.

Re: Membase a new NoSQL

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Post by henrikschroder »

mahmud wrote: post #36
henrikschroder wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty of people that want to volunteer porting projects to Windows, there are other hurdles such as Microsoft refusing to ship a C99 compiler, and getting the Windows port accepted into the main repo for the project.

Huh? Everyone builds with mingw. We shipped pure win32 desktop and service apps that were compiled with mingw. The difficulties in porting to Windows are slightly more technical than just the availability of a free C compiler with C99 support, and project management politics.

The problem is that MingW is a completely alien environment for the vast majority of C developers on Windows, and Visual Studio is a completely alien environment for POSIX projects.

That way you can't use the majority of Windows C developers, many of whom would love to contribute to open source projects, and who has the knowledge of the technical difficulties of porting to Windows.

Re: Membase a new NoSQL

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Post by silentbicycle »

dlsspy wrote: post #38
silentbicycle wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Memcached predates github by quite a bit, actually. It was originally made as a caching layer for livejournal, and IIRC was made in the early half of the 00s. (Having a hard time finding an exact date, though.)

If you want to know the exact date, look at the link you're suggesting is wrong.

You mean the one where an existing project with several years of history has its development tree imported into github as its first commit?

I remember the memcached project being announced, and I'm pretty sure it predated github by five years or more.

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