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David Bonderman Resigns from Uber Board

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Re: David Bonderman Resigns from Uber Board

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Post by pheldagryph »

initstick wrote: post #12
lancewiggs wrote: post #2

The right thing to do. He needs to be replaced by a woman, and to Ariana's point they need several on the board. Plenty of work required to change the toxic culture at Uber.

FTFY: He needs to be replaced by a more qualified individual. It doesn't matter what gender they identify as.

> FTFY: He needs to be replaced by a more qualified individual. It doesn't matter what gender they identify as.

Given the politics of the situation, reasonable people might hear in this: "A woman should not be hired for this role."

Imagine the optics of replacing a sexist old man with another sexist old man. Worth the risk to shareholder value?

Re: David Bonderman Resigns from Uber Board

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Post by comex »

you_go_first wrote: post #16
lancewiggs wrote: post #2

The right thing to do. He needs to be replaced by a woman, and to Ariana's point they need several on the board. Plenty of work required to change the toxic culture at Uber.

It looks like you're a director at several companies you've invested in and you're male. You should practice what you preach and relinquish all those positions to women. Gender shouldn't matter to determine qualification. If they appoint a woman, it should be because she's better qualified and not because of her gender. I'm shocked that people think the solution to sexism is a different flavor of sexism. It does wome…

There are several reasons why diversity is desirable in all positions, including the tendency of implicit bias to diminish perceived qualifications.

But in this specific case, being a woman actually is a qualification. One of the key jobs for Uber's leadership in the immediate future is reducing sexism, and women are likely to have at least some personal experience being on the receiving end of it in their lives, which gives them a unique perspective.

Re: David Bonderman Resigns from Uber Board

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Post by avs733 »

BigJono wrote: post #6

Preparing to be bombarded with downvotes for this, but resigning over such a remark seems like an overreaction. His apology seems sincere, that should be enough. On the scale of things said about women by men in power this is about a 2/10, there's many much more egregious examples of sexism out there for people to be upset about.

I understand your comment but I think you are completely wrong.

The comment in itself is an everyday (unacceptable but everyday) example of misogyny. But to judge it based on the abstract is frankly absurd.

However, the comment, as does everything, exists in context. If he said this a year ago...its in the report. If he said it two years ago, everyone laughs. To say it not just in the present moment, but AT THE MEETING where Uber is trying to move beyond this culture is unacceptable. It isn't about the comment itself even, its about how the comment undermines everything Uber is trying to do right now. If they had not let him go they likely would have opened themselves up to lawsuits from every other person they fired, and the attempts at cultural change would have literally died at birth.

Re: David Bonderman Resigns from Uber Board

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Post by aaron-lebo »

pheldagryph wrote: post #31
initstick wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FTFY: He needs to be replaced by a more qualified individual. It doesn't matter what gender they identify as.

> FTFY: He needs to be replaced by a more qualified individual. It doesn't matter what gender they identify as. Given the politics of the situation, reasonable people might hear in this: "A woman should not be hired for this role." Imagine the optics of replacing a sexist old man with another sexist old man. Worth the risk to shareholder value?

Yeah, optics matter, but a reasonable person might take your comment as saying "optics matter more than merit".

Your last sentence doesn't follow. Maybe you could replace a sexist old man with a man who isn't sexist?

Re: David Bonderman Resigns from Uber Board

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Post by lefstathiou »

pheldagryph wrote: post #31
initstick wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FTFY: He needs to be replaced by a more qualified individual. It doesn't matter what gender they identify as.

> FTFY: He needs to be replaced by a more qualified individual. It doesn't matter what gender they identify as. Given the politics of the situation, reasonable people might hear in this: "A woman should not be hired for this role." Imagine the optics of replacing a sexist old man with another sexist old man. Worth the risk to shareholder value?

"Another sexist old man"?

Do you see the irony in your statement?

Re: David Bonderman Resigns from Uber Board

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Post by landon32 »

ohreally123 wrote: post #35

Because white males are a generic, misogynistic, power-hungry/greedy subspecies I guess? Come on.

No, because females have different life experiences than males. There is no way around that.

Society treats females and males differently from birth. Running short on time, but this page links to a bunch of relevant studies: http://www.spertus.com/ellen/Gender/pap/node7.html

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