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Re: Ubuntu Reveal Results of Gnome Desktop Survey

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Post by vbezhenar »

bluejekyll wrote: post #23
cx1000 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider eclipse. It allows the user to configure every. Single. Thing. And in doing so makes configuration difficult because there are so many options. Sane defaults and a consistent environment are better, imho.

Yeah. A great point. I do find eclipse to be too configurable, and part of why I use IntelliJ (for Java). Apple software is generally on the other end of that spectrum, which annoys many people; although you'll notice that even there you can put the bar on the left, right or bottom.

When I opened Xcode preferences first time, I thought it was a bug or there's another real preferences dialog somewhere.

Re: Ubuntu Reveal Results of Gnome Desktop Survey

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Post by _pmf_ »

NoGravitas wrote: post #8

This survey and the article show a remarkable amount of humility, which is something new to Ubuntu. I'm quite pleased to see this new direction for them.

I thought Ubunto has always been pretty accommodating: they accepted systemd against their preferences, they switched from Unity back to Gnome.

Re: Ubuntu Reveal Results of Gnome Desktop Survey

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Post by pawadu »

johnbellone wrote: post #22
cx1000 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider eclipse. It allows the user to configure every. Single. Thing. And in doing so makes configuration difficult because there are so many options. Sane defaults and a consistent environment are better, imho.

That's because Eclipse is basically an operating system like Emacs.

As a long time Emacs user I find your comment very offending.

Emacs is nothing like Eclipse. If anything, I would compare Eclipse to Vim: bare bone its useless, with plug-ins its just too big and unstable.

:)

Re: Ubuntu Reveal Results of Gnome Desktop Survey

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Post by arealperson »

cx1000 wrote: post #20
bluejekyll wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be very irritated if I couldn't put my bar on the left. I put it in the left on every UI I use. The reasoning seems sound though. Where there is no strong user preference, consider making it configurable. The only way you find out how irritated people would be without the option would be to piss them off.

Consider eclipse. It allows the user to configure every. Single. Thing. And in doing so makes configuration difficult because there are so many options. Sane defaults and a consistent environment are better, imho.

Sane defaults and extremely detailed configuration options can coexist.

Those users who like the sane defaults can just stick with them. Those users who don't like those defaults can use the configuration options to fine-tune their experience.

Re: Ubuntu Reveal Results of Gnome Desktop Survey

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Post by pawadu »

apetresc wrote: post #18
dsr_ wrote: post #2

Users are split on whether window controls should be on the left or right. Hint: make it easily configurable. Otherwise, you get to irritate 40-60% of your users.

Also note the design of that pie chart - 'left' is on the right, and 'right' is on the left.

Also, left should be red, right should be blue.

:)

Re: Ubuntu Reveal Results of Gnome Desktop Survey

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Post by unethical_ban »

As a longtime Unity user, I hope they maintain the tiling-by-keyboard function of Unity in the new GNOME (or maybe it's a part of GNOME already).

I like using the keyboard as my main input for everything except scrolling. The more I can use the keyboard on a laptop, and the easier it is to know those hotkeys (holding down Meta key on Unity), the better.

If you haven't used Unity in a while, spin up a 17.04 VM to give it an hour or so of use. Makes you appreciate how far it's come.

Re: Ubuntu Reveal Results of Gnome Desktop Survey

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Post by bkor »

unethical_ban wrote: post #38

As a longtime Unity user, I hope they maintain the tiling-by-keyboard function of Unity in the new GNOME (or maybe it's a part of GNOME already). I like using the keyboard as my main input for everything except scrolling. The more I can use the keyboard on a laptop, and the easier it is to know those hotkeys (holding down Meta key on Unity), the better. If you haven't used Unity in a while, spin up a 17.04 VM to give…

> tiling-by-keyboard function of Unity in the new GNOME

At the moment you can only maximize to the left or right. Depending on the work done during GUADEC the quarter tiling functionality might be ready for GNOME 3.26. It actually already was available in one unstable version, then taken out in the next version.

I'm really looking forward to better support to divide your screen. With screens such as 2560x1440 it helps to have more options than just "two on one screen". Some people also use e.g. a huge (e.g. 40") 4K monitor. Then you'd want really good window management.

Re: Ubuntu Reveal Results of Gnome Desktop Survey

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Post by bkor »

arealperson wrote: post #35
cx1000 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider eclipse. It allows the user to configure every. Single. Thing. And in doing so makes configuration difficult because there are so many options. Sane defaults and a consistent environment are better, imho.

Sane defaults and extremely detailed configuration options can coexist. Those users who like the sane defaults can just stick with them. Those users who don't like those defaults can use the configuration options to fine-tune their experience.

If you have loads of options it can be almost impossible to know the options. Even basic things can be difficult to find. This is usually "solved" by things like an "advanced" button but that means you'll just end up clicking the advanced button in loads of places.

IMO sane defaults and extremely detailed configuration go against each other. The detailed configuration makes it impossible to find the option you want.

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