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Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by ehsankia »

werewolf359 wrote: post #23

In this video of the attack: https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/865301089867923456 a bodyguard is seen talking to someone in the back of a car. That bodyguard nods to another bodyguard, who then walks towards the protest. The attack begins the second he arrives at the line. Later, the person in the back of the car gets out. It's Erdogan. This video didn't get as much press as it should have, I suppose since you…

I was honestly surprised that NYT did such a beautiful in depth analysis of videos and didn't have this video in there. How can you do an in depth research on that incident and not have this vital video?

I wonder if with modern machine learning backed algorithms, we can do a semi-decent job at reading some of the lips in that video.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by ehsankia »

werewolf359 wrote: post #23

In this video of the attack: https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/865301089867923456 a bodyguard is seen talking to someone in the back of a car. That bodyguard nods to another bodyguard, who then walks towards the protest. The attack begins the second he arrives at the line. Later, the person in the back of the car gets out. It's Erdogan. This video didn't get as much press as it should have, I suppose since you…

I was honestly surprised that NYT did such a beautiful in depth analysis of videos and didn't have this video in there. How can you do an in depth research on that incident and not have this vital video?

I wonder if with modern machine learning backed algorithms, we can do a semi-decent job at reading some of the lips in that video.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by draw_down »

spodek wrote: post #25
Keyframe wrote: post #19

Great analysis, but I must ask the obvious question. US citizens attacked by foreign entities on US soil. What gives?

We can't change the past, but as an American, my question is what will my government do to protect its citizens and how will it obtain justice for them. Will it even try? Let's hope the fourth estate holds the first three accountable.

I'm guessing nothing will happen. I have no idea if diplomatic immunity applies, but also the president and Erdogan are friendly. And, we have a lot of contempt for protestors in our country.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by exabrial »

omginternets wrote: post #27

I guess it's no longer viable to go to protests unarmed. Good to know.

A good thought, and in most states, it would be your Constitutional right to do so. However, carrying a weapon is likely to attract additional attention and there's a good chance you'd wind up dead. You're going against a foreign military trained force, and they're probably not used to seeing a normal citizen exercise their civil liberties in such a way. I think peaceful assembly is probably the best approach, and leaving immediately if anyone (protestor or police) incites violence.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by JBReefer »

ehsankia wrote: post #31
werewolf359 wrote: post #23

In this video of the attack: https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/865301089867923456 a bodyguard is seen talking to someone in the back of a car. That bodyguard nods to another bodyguard, who then walks towards the protest. The attack begins the second he arrives at the line. Later, the person in the back of the car gets out. It's Erdogan. This video didn't get as much press as it should have, I suppose since you…

I was honestly surprised that NYT did such a beautiful in depth analysis of videos and didn't have this video in there. How can you do an in depth research on that incident and not have this vital video? I wonder if with modern machine learning backed algorithms, we can do a semi-decent job at reading some of the lips in that video.

Or you know, just find a deaf Turk...

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by mozumder »

ehsankia wrote: post #31
werewolf359 wrote: post #23

In this video of the attack: https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/865301089867923456 a bodyguard is seen talking to someone in the back of a car. That bodyguard nods to another bodyguard, who then walks towards the protest. The attack begins the second he arrives at the line. Later, the person in the back of the car gets out. It's Erdogan. This video didn't get as much press as it should have, I suppose since you…

I was honestly surprised that NYT did such a beautiful in depth analysis of videos and didn't have this video in there. How can you do an in depth research on that incident and not have this vital video? I wonder if with modern machine learning backed algorithms, we can do a semi-decent job at reading some of the lips in that video.

?

That video is in the article, specifically talking about the possibility of Erdogan ordering the attack.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

#39

Post by workerIbe »

mschuster91 wrote: post #22
Keyframe wrote: post #19

Great analysis, but I must ask the obvious question. US citizens attacked by foreign entities on US soil. What gives?

Well, that happens when a dictator visits a wannabe dictator. Erdogan and his goons obviously thought they'd be let off without any consequences for this - and indeed they were right. And I'm sure there won't be any consequences in the future - it's not a Trump thing to anger like-minded friends.

Turkey's strategic importance is nothing new, it's just where it is on the board.
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