Earlier quoted context omitted.
By creating strong regulations to curb the worst practices of ad company tracking, then dismantling these monopolies the same way we did with Microsoft in the 90s.
The regulation of Microsoft is what got us where we are today in terms of loss of privacy. The Microsoft model was: 1) Money from selling useful software that people buy 2) The web as an information source. Apps are actually software that is (paid for and) installed 3) The PC as hub for the user's digital Life Instead, with help from the DOJ, Microsoft lost, and now we have the Google model 1) Software and services g…
Notes from an Emergency [video]
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#32> Regulate ads to target content, not users. This. 1000x. At it's core this is essentially like sponsorship. Anecdote : I've always found sponsored content more useful than the ads that ad networks show me and they are also not creepy like traditional ads. Eg- I search for strawberries on google, click through a few links. Separately I visit a tech blog to learn about how to monitor a VPS, guess what shows up on a si…
What's your selling point to advertisers though? That you're a worse-targeted version of the big guys? You could say you're more user-friendly, but I don't think that's a premium most advertisers are willing to subsidize. If this were a good opportunity for an ad network, then we wouldn't need any regulation to force it.
For sites you tell that it's ethical, like above, and that users won't block it because it's cached at your own server (you can do that because you don't track users). That may compensate for the smaller price. If it doesn't now, it will once more people start blocking ads.
For users you tell that it won't harm them, so they don't need to look into blockers (it will work if you take some effort to avoid malware too), and if they start blocking this kind of ad, you won't have any competitive advantage so harmful ads will win.
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#33Typical 'idlewords :). Lots of good points intermingled with unwarranted jabs at Elon Musk, X-risk and anti-aging efforts. I suppose the latter are just signalling, but they do detract from the point he's making. The points about tech running amok with the surveillance capitalism are spot on. I do have some doubts about other parts though; here are they in somewhat random order: -- Problem solving. I'm not buying thi…
You completely lost me by calling a sizable majority of voters anti-democratic sore losers.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Obviously there is good and bad regulation. I go into specifics about what I want in the text version of this talk, and here: http://idlewords.com/six_fixes.htm
What makes you think you'll get the regulation you want, vs. the regulation that whatever politician who picks up this cause wants? If you want implementation of the six fixes you list there (which in general I think are pretty reasonable), you need to be out there beating that list specifically into peoples' heads, over and over again. You can't just call for blanket regulation, which will be interpreted in whatever…
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#35Ceglowski wants internet companies to be brought under stronger regulatory authority of local European governments, to protect societies and elections from pernicious forces in those companies and on the internet generally. He hopes there's a spillover benefit to people in other countries. "Regulate, regulate, regulate!", Maciej urges. Erdogan of Turkey says, "OK, Maciej!" – blocking Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp, & Wi…
Obviously there is good and bad regulation. I go into specifics about what I want in the text version of this talk, and here: http://idlewords.com/six_fixes.htm
Your "regulate, regulate, regulate" chant about the evil influences of the American internet will in practice drive more censorship then privacy protection – even when, as with the Tories' new internet-regulation manifesto, the censorship is itself dressed up in "data protection" guise.
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#36Ceglowski wants internet companies to be brought under stronger regulatory authority of local European governments, to protect societies and elections from pernicious forces in those companies and on the internet generally. He hopes there's a spillover benefit to people in other countries. "Regulate, regulate, regulate!", Maciej urges. Erdogan of Turkey says, "OK, Maciej!" – blocking Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp, & Wi…
you are building a caricature of his argument, painting it with facism, and then knocking it down. in other words: a straw man. nothing you mention is advocated by the presenter.
It's what those independent European politicians are already pushing. They couldn't care less about a little technocratic tweak like "only target ads based on content". They want rules, fines, and discretion that lets them bend internet media to match their ideologies and establishments. (Not to advance the progressive aims Ceglowski prefers.)
Maybe in a future presentation Ceglowski can explain the specific regulations he wants – how they can win enactment & then achieve good results. But he didn't even get to them in his time here, and even in the full transcript they're just superficial bullet points. That makes them seem like perfunctory afterthoughts – not at all ready to appear on the agenda, compared to the actual, rapidly-advancing internet-censorship regulations that Europe is already pushing.
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#38Typical 'idlewords :). Lots of good points intermingled with unwarranted jabs at Elon Musk, X-risk and anti-aging efforts. I suppose the latter are just signalling, but they do detract from the point he's making. The points about tech running amok with the surveillance capitalism are spot on. I do have some doubts about other parts though; here are they in somewhat random order: -- Problem solving. I'm not buying thi…
You completely lost me by calling a sizable majority of voters anti-democratic sore losers.
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Also, "you lost me" kool kid dismissal is supposed to be used with things mentioned early in the piece of writing, not with literally the last two sentences of the post. You admitted that you read everything, so no points for style :P.
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#39Typical 'idlewords :). Lots of good points intermingled with unwarranted jabs at Elon Musk, X-risk and anti-aging efforts. I suppose the latter are just signalling, but they do detract from the point he's making. The points about tech running amok with the surveillance capitalism are spot on. I do have some doubts about other parts though; here are they in somewhat random order: -- Problem solving. I'm not buying thi…
They actually don't. These people are throwing billions of dollars at the wrong problems. There are problems solvable with a fraction of that affecting Americans across the board. If they want people to live longer, patent reform (eg reducing patent length) devaluing cancer drugs/equipment followed by buying them and non-profit manufacturing (i.e. low margin) would save lots of lives or improve those who otherwise would mortgage a house. Likewise, hitting both copyright and patent law in a way to allow clean-slate clones of software like Oracle would fight lock-in. They could fund use of the courts plus tech-assisted cooperation on so many local issues that happen all over the place like gerrymandering or water supplies being poisoned. They might even build a new Tier 1 or Tier 3 ISP as a public benefit company w/ privacy and net neutrality in its charter plus a range of services from gigabit for businesses to wireless mesh for poor areas built on consumer routers. Edit to add investment into those lego-like, pre-fab houses and apartments that are dirt cheap vs traditional homes might make it easier to get more people affordable homes or reduce homelessness.
All kinds of existing problems can be solved with focused efforts by millionaires or billionaires. Instead, they're going to Mars, trying to live forever, or some other stuff while worrying about fantasy problems.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
By creating strong regulations to curb the worst practices of ad company tracking, then dismantling these monopolies the same way we did with Microsoft in the 90s.
The regulation of Microsoft is what got us where we are today in terms of loss of privacy. The Microsoft model was: 1) Money from selling useful software that people buy 2) The web as an information source. Apps are actually software that is (paid for and) installed 3) The PC as hub for the user's digital Life Instead, with help from the DOJ, Microsoft lost, and now we have the Google model 1) Software and services g…
1) Money from selling useful software that people buy
2) The web as an information source. Apps are actually software that is (paid for and) installed
3) The PC as hub for the user's digital Life"
That is not what got Microsoft where they were. Microsoft cut deals with monopoly and oligopoly providers to make their stuff defaults. They used all kinds of shady techniques to create network effects such as getting OEM's to use them by default instead of competition (consumers rarely switch). Then, their lockin due to obscure data formats and protocols made transitioning or interoperability very difficult. Like IBM and Oracle, they kept patenting things (artificial monopolies) to use to sue or force acquisitions of opponents. For open standards, they practiced "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish." These kind of techniques created a situation where customers were essentially forced to stay on or acquire their products to be part of the ecosystem which was 90% of the market or something. This got them billions of dollars plus a lot of antitrust action.
"Instead, with help from the DOJ, Microsoft lost, and now we have the Google model"
Microsoft is still one of the richest companies in existence along with IBM and Apple. These still use the old models (licensing software and suing w/ patents) plus offer stuff with the new model. It didn't go away due to regulation. There's tons of proprietary apps out there.
"1) Software and services given away as enticement for user data which is then sold to advertisers.
2) Primacy of the web app over installed apps."
Web primacy wasn't due to antitrust or anything like that. Web apps have no installation, work across devices (in theory), and update automatically. The reason native apps didn't is because of greedy companies in private sector fighting with each other more than helping each other. A regulation making a standard might have actually helped just because there would be a deployment target. The ad-driven model came from market demand where they consistently and massively chose ad-funded sites over stuff they paid for. This combined with VC money, copyright/patent monopolies, and sometimes Wall St requirements post-IPO created with private sector bribes to politicians turned that into new oligopolies of companies that are dominating certain areas such as search, email, e-commerce, payment, and social media.
So, a combination of foolish demand by markets, choices by VC's, founders wanting to be rich, CEO's doing as much monopolistic practice as possible, companies fighting instead of working on common ground, and corrupt politicians collectively led to this situation. It was improved a little bit on a few occasions by regulation but overall its impact pales in comparison to other factors.