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Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Has anyone signed up? It's very interesting what the first topics are. There is a #conservatism with 8 members already, but you can't make #liberalism, #communism or #leftists. "The_Donald" is "coming soon". (Edit: I must have hit a bug because I tried with a few names and my attempts just didn't do anything, but someone else did it immediately). I wonder if this is like Gab, an attempt to make a more single-issue-po…

I just signed up and created #liberalism to test it out. Worked just fine

https://voten.co/c/liberalism

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

#32

Aaand yet another reddit "alternative" and they all seem to fail or have troubles gaining traction. I can recall voat.co, hubski.com and imzy.com (my favorite so far) and now one more. I'd really like to know why devs think they can rival Reddit, it's just too big.

>> I'd really like to know why devs think they can rival Reddit, it's just too big.

The same people said that about Digg before Reddit took all their users.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Reddit is technology wise pretty simple - it's just one step up from a forum. So these guys have re-implemented a forum and added a stack of features that only a bunch of devs could come up with. Markdown support is mentioned twice at the top of the features list! Anyway this is a site by actual guys that used to work at Reddit so you'd expect them to be pretty smart business orientated chaps right? Well they launch,…

This is actually the worst an internet comment can be - no real insight, judgemental, thinly veiled insults and accusations, excusing bad ethics for business sense, bad tempered and rude. What new platforms need, is less of this . I have no real horse in the race and am generally sceptical about reddit alternatives as the refuge of whoever gets banned on reddit, but hey, feel free to shit over other people's efforts!

Huh? Did you read my comment?

* They have a well funded + experienced team

* They are currently featured on the front page of HN

* The number #1 USP of their site is "Real Time".

So after forcing me to login to check out what it actually is, I find that there's actually no real time content. It's dead.

My insight is clear even if it is drenched in negativity. These guys should be doing better, even if they had no resources whatsoever, for the next 24h, the CEO, his girlfriend, their dog, the grandmother and every other person they know should be logged in creating the illusion of users.

I think even Paul Graham/YC advocates this method, it's how Reddit got started - so beggars belief that these chaps don't think they need to go to those lengths :/

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

#34
What do you mean? I for one not only had a chuckle over morning coffee, but, learned a few things about what I would do and not do for my own startup. That's my opinion on the original comment. My opinion on you is that your feelings are too sensitive and are muddying your rationale here. "What new platforms need, is less of this." I disagree, brutal honesty goes a long way.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

#35
I'm not sold that real-time is a feature you want in your social site.

Reddit has an issue with lightweight throwaway comments already. Broad mostly-right comments killing actual discussion.

Wouldn't adding real-time on top of that add up to the hell of teamspeak in games with a bunch of kids?

It could go like IRC... But if you're saying you're like Reddit, I don't see how it wouldn't devolve into pettyness.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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I dunno, with the recent changes reddit has been rolling out it is no longer a nice place to visit. There is so much hate and anger on the front page and so little good content. I could make an account, but it seems like they shadow ban everyone except for bots ( and not just for content, the last two times I was shadow banned it was because I logged in from my office IP address which they deemed was "gaming" votes )

Being shadow banned has no impact on what content you see so if you just want a better front page experience, try creating an account and joining smaller subreddits that are more aligned to your interests. I don't think I have a single default sub on my front page anymore.

Right and then try to participate in the conversation, and you can't, but since its a shadow ban you don't even know that you can't participate. In general your giving traffic and ad dollars to people who seem more interested in pressing a narrative then providing content.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Anyone can create a forum; the question is why people would actually visit this one instead of the existing alternatives. "Real-time" features don't seem like that much of a draw and Reddit et al could easily implement them if they were.

A lot of people feel that Reddit is overmoderated - there was that controversy recently where one of the employees admitted manually altering a bunch of content (removing pro-Trump submissions and comments). Also I imagine any general forum like Reddit wouldn't retain its power users for more than a few years at most. At a given time, most users are either at the point where they don't get any of the inside jokes, or…

> A lot of people feel that Reddit is overmoderated -

A tiny handful of people feel that Reddit is over moderated, and those people went to voat or 8chan.

Everyone else thinks there's not enough moderation on Reddit.

When you ask people what the good bits of Reddit are they almost always talk about the most heavily moderated sub-Reddits, which is telling.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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As with voat.co, who's gonna switch to this? Really the only people who switched over to Voat are the people who felt reddit was restricting their rights by posting controversial/hateful material on reddit. So it tends to be full of /pol-like MRAs/extreme right/alt-right users. Voten seems like it's trying to implement a more democratic system, but who will be pushed into switching over to that?

I dunno, with the recent changes reddit has been rolling out it is no longer a nice place to visit. There is so much hate and anger on the front page and so little good content. I could make an account, but it seems like they shadow ban everyone except for bots ( and not just for content, the last two times I was shadow banned it was because I logged in from my office IP address which they deemed was "gaming" votes )

Really? I've been on reddit for a few years now and there's plenty of enjoyable content on the frontpage and now /r/popular. Sure, there's always something about politics, but I think that's always been the case.

As for shadowbanning, reddit is taking steps to get rid of that altogether [0], or at least they recognize that it's a bad system for actual users.

[0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3sbrro/accou...

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

#39

As with voat.co, who's gonna switch to this? Really the only people who switched over to Voat are the people who felt reddit was restricting their rights by posting controversial/hateful material on reddit. So it tends to be full of /pol-like MRAs/extreme right/alt-right users. Voten seems like it's trying to implement a more democratic system, but who will be pushed into switching over to that?

As you said it yourself, Voat is "full of /pol-like MRAs/extreme right/alt-right". Voten is not trying to do the same. It's just an alternative with a good design, real-time features and basically everything that Reddit and Voat aren't.
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