Did some of the people behind that go off to do the Fyre Festival? Same concept, same kind of screwup. The current incarnation of that concept is Snctm, in LA.[1] More sex, though. [1] https://www.snctm.com/
Even though I've read this article before, the first thing I thought of this time was the Fyre Festival tweet that ended with "the real lesson we should take away is how easy it is to lure a bunch of rich people onto an island with no hope of escape" edit: From Snctm website: "...all Gentlemen are required to wear a Tuxedo with Bowtie. Ladies shall be elegantly dressed in Evening Wear or Lingerie ... At Pool Party, G…
The rise and fall of Latitude, an exclusive underground society (2016)
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Re: The rise and fall of Latitude, an exclusive underground society (2016)
#32Did some of the people behind that go off to do the Fyre Festival? Same concept, same kind of screwup. The current incarnation of that concept is Snctm, in LA.[1] More sex, though. [1] https://www.snctm.com/
Even though I've read this article before, the first thing I thought of this time was the Fyre Festival tweet that ended with "the real lesson we should take away is how easy it is to lure a bunch of rich people onto an island with no hope of escape" edit: From Snctm website: "...all Gentlemen are required to wear a Tuxedo with Bowtie. Ladies shall be elegantly dressed in Evening Wear or Lingerie ... At Pool Party, G…
Re: The rise and fall of Latitude, an exclusive underground society (2016)
#33https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11243631
344 points dcschelt a year ago 120 comments
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#34Off topic, but is anyone else having trouble loading and reading the article? I tried 3 times and the website is utterly unusable. Keeps sending me to the bottom of the page.
Yes, scrolls randomly past 500 other articles in Vivaldi (Chrome) on OS X. Why did anyone ever think allowing JavaScript to control scroll was a good idea.
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20061101-03/?p=...
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#35Off topic, but is anyone else having trouble loading and reading the article? I tried 3 times and the website is utterly unusable. Keeps sending me to the bottom of the page.
I gave up reading halfway through because I can't get it to scroll smoothly.
Re: The rise and fall of Latitude, an exclusive underground society (2016)
#36I found the comparisons between then the social networks of Latitude and digital social networks the most interesting. The failure of Latitude seems to be in (of course, perfect) hindsight due to the differences in cost between digital and "human" social networks. To support Latitude, the costs had to be raised far higher than it's user could support. Facebook of course just makes you pay with your eyeballs and your privacy. Both of which are evidently less dear to us than the cash in our wallets.
I can't help but take the human social network as an organization idea farther. I mean it in the best possible way when I point out that every time I go to church there is a point in time in which everyone is asked to give what nominally should be a significant amount of their income to the church to keep it operating. ( Not to mention the sermons we sometimes get could put NPR to shame...) All these networks also need funding to survive, this is not a problem that was unique to Latitude, but an organizational restraint that all social networks that rely on the "sneakernet" primarily instead of the internet face. And, it's one that they've solved.
The issue is trying to incorporate normal startup methods of monetization, or attempting to gather users in a typical software startup way before you even try to monetize. Facebook could do this because the cheapness and "distance" of online behavior makes it simple, but as illustrated in the article, physical space is expensive and people are messy creatures who just soak up time being dealt with (I wonder how much damage or wasted time "jukebox-incidents" caused on a regular basis). Human social network startups -- if such a class exists, would be better served in my mind by copying how other well established networks such as churches spread, giving up control of that spread and monetizing that growth instead.
For instance, Latitude could of taken their most dedicated participants, such as the author of this piece, and given them (perhaps a minimum amount of) training in creating their own network and allowed the to go out as "seeds" into other neighborhood and cities where they would create their own "secret societies". Then, sell digital services, supplies and consulting to these new operators. I would characterize it as catalyzing an organically spreading human experience and profiting off the demand created by that spread instead of centralizing an experience, homogenizing it and profiting off how easily accessible the information from that experience is.
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#37the sad thing is of late this business model has become widespread - the party with capital to seed the enterprise wants to retain ownership and control, but they depend for a large fraction of their labour into selling volunteers the fantasy that they are part of "building something together". you often end up with a beautiful, vibrant structure emerging from the volunteers, which is then coopted (and all too frequently destroyed) when the owners try to assert their ownership by way of more explicitly capturing the created value.
heck, the person behind little free library has trademarked and is monetising the name https://littlefreelibrary.myshopify.com/collections/charter-...
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#38it was interesting to read that shortly after reading doctorow's new novel, 'walkaway'. having the book fresh in my mind really highlighted how asymmetry of ownership was built into latitude's dna, and was practically its raison d'etre. the sad thing is of late this business model has become widespread - the party with capital to seed the enterprise wants to retain ownership and control, but they depend for a large f…
Re: The rise and fall of Latitude, an exclusive underground society (2016)
#39Maybe I'm a boring middle-class introvert but… > People I knew made vague threats that I would regret leaving or talking about it. A roommate of mine stopped telling me where he was going when he left the house. Friends whom I trusted contacted me and played stupid about their own involvement in order to suss out what I knew. I can't say with confidence that Nonchalance encouraged this behavior, but they should have…
Re: The rise and fall of Latitude, an exclusive underground society (2016)
#40Off topic, but is anyone else having trouble loading and reading the article? I tried 3 times and the website is utterly unusable. Keeps sending me to the bottom of the page.
Chrome on a Windows 10. The laptop is new and fast, so it's not a hardware issue.