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Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by finid »

phaus wrote: post #26
finid wrote: post #23

Terrorism seeks to change our way of life... That sounds like the "they attacked us because of our freedom". No, pal. Terrorists are pissed off because of what your govt is doing overseas. They're really not interested in your way of life or your freedom.

Depends on the terrorist. Some organizations want to bring about the end of western influence in the middle east, some are delusional and think they will rule the world.

We started this mess. Recall that we were told that after we get rid of Saddam, that Iraq will become a shinning example for the rest of the ME, and the world. That the guy was such a bad guy that the world will be a far better place without him.

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by tonysdg »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #3

There are all sorts of parallels between open Internet/encryption and the gun rights debate. It will be interesting to see how it all sorts out in the end. For example, in the future could we see a joint campaign by the NRA and the EFF?

Ironically relevant XKCD: https://www.xkcd.com/504/

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by reynoldsbd »

mter wrote: post #21
post_break wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a valid comparison? It's the exact comparison. What about suing the truck manufacturers when that terrorist ran over a bunch of people, or Boeing for 9/11, etc. Just because they are a manufacturer of firearms doesnt excuse them from this ideology.

This is not a valid comparison because there is literally a federal law protecting gun manufacturers. There is not a similar law protecting twitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_...

Lack of a federal law doesn't necessarily make that comparison invalid; perhaps there should even be an analogous law protecting "free speech platforms" that is rooted in the first amendment, similar to how the law you cite it ostensibly rooted in the second.

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by tyingq »

phaus wrote: post #26
finid wrote: post #23

Terrorism seeks to change our way of life... That sounds like the "they attacked us because of our freedom". No, pal. Terrorists are pissed off because of what your govt is doing overseas. They're really not interested in your way of life or your freedom.

Depends on the terrorist. Some organizations want to bring about the end of western influence in the middle east, some are delusional and think they will rule the world.

That's true, but relatives killed by Western powers make the survivors fairly ripe for recruitment into anything that feels like retribution.

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

nappy wrote: post #15
wand3r wrote: post #11

Wow, horrifying. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt for such a tradgedy and the emotional stress and grief it causes; but this is illogical, dangerous and counterproductive. Terrorism seeks to change our way of life and sueing a company for providing a platform for[0] free speech (which those companies actually already curtail) will not only cause problems to this already slippery slope, but simply displace…

Do you think corporations have the right to free speech? Do you think they ought to?

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Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by x3n0ph3n3 »

thesmallestcat wrote: post #22
post_break wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a valid comparison? It's the exact comparison. What about suing the truck manufacturers when that terrorist ran over a bunch of people, or Boeing for 9/11, etc. Just because they are a manufacturer of firearms doesnt excuse them from this ideology.

No, the exact comparison would be a similar suit against the gun manufacturers for the San Bernardino shooting.

Except they used illegally modified guns that were against the law to own in California (and many other states without the proper license).

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by camdenlock »

finid wrote: post #23

Terrorism seeks to change our way of life... That sounds like the "they attacked us because of our freedom". No, pal. Terrorists are pissed off because of what your govt is doing overseas. They're really not interested in your way of life or your freedom.

This is an incredibly narrow view of the situation. What you're describing is only one of several factors fueling the recent surge of violent Islamist attacks.

This is why the consumption of a variety of sources of information on a topic coupled with the application of careful thought and reason is crucial. Dogma helps no one, particularly not when discussing this topic.

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by sien »

finid wrote: post #31
phaus wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the terrorist. Some organizations want to bring about the end of western influence in the middle east, some are delusional and think they will rule the world.

We started this mess. Recall that we were told that after we get rid of Saddam, that Iraq will become a shinning example for the rest of the ME, and the world. That the guy was such a bad guy that the world will be a far better place without him.

The mess was started a long time age when the Allies stuffed up the breakup of the Ottoman Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement

It is, of course, easy to be wise long after the event.

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by cyberferret »

holly4 wrote: post #7

Good. It's high time. Misguided people are generally surrounded by misguided people. Therefore the like/retweet/view counters of their content over-amplifies whatever narrative is already in their heads. It's like watching a very badly trained neural network getting worse. They just don't have access to a good corrective mechanism. I hold Facebook, Youtube and Twitter responsible for training a whole bunch of people…

You know - initially my reaction was "You're crazy!", but then I thought - "You actually make a good point".

Anecdotal case in point: I am really trying a self imposed exile from Twitter these days, especially in view of the current US political climate. If I go to a right centric Twitter stream, I am confronted with a deluge of hyperbole, rage, anger, memes, whatever. And it is EXACTLY the same if I visit a left centric stream too.

Anyone who spends an inordinate amount of time in one or the other, can easily start to believe that what is within the respective bubble is the reality of the world.

"If you gaze long enough into the abyss, then the abyss gazes into you..."

I don't know what the solution is here. Perhaps social media companies have to be more hardline about cracking down on "fake news" and hate speech and cutting it off before it can spread? Not sure that is possible at all?!

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by NeutronBoy »

usaphp wrote: post #17
misnome wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They enabled the perpetrator's planning and communications by supplying him the phone. I mean, they are just as culpable as Facebook, Google and Twitter... ...i.e. not at all, but a large and wealthy company to try and extort a settlement from.

By this logic you can sue the clothing company that provided them with clothes during their felony

That's pretty much the point the GP was trying to make.
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