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At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males

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Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males

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Post by malandrew »

19eightyfour wrote: post #3

Sexism against women is real. Just look at movies. Audiences for blockbuster Hollywood movies are almost completely mixed. But how many leads and stars are male versus female? And this is movies. This is a fictional world. This is where you can rewrite the rules and depict the world as you would like to show it. But Hollywood still shows more men in lead roles than women. So the representation of women on screen is n…

Explain professional women's sports. Why don't they have equal size audiences despite the fact that they should appeal to half the population as role models (protagonists)? Men's sports still draw in much larger audiences from both genders.

Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males

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Post by forgottenpass »

Iv wrote: post #26
cperciva wrote: post #5

Last year, a study of coders on the open source repository GitHub found that code written by women was actually more likely to be approved by fellow coders than code written by men – but only if the female coders hid their gender. Female coders with profiles that made their gender “identifiable” had their code rejected more often than male coders. That study has been so thoroughly debunked at this point that I'm incl…

Never heard of this study or it's debunking. I would owe you 2 TIL if you could provide some sources!

http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/02/12/before-you-get-too-exci...

Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males

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Post by doc_gunthrop »

19eightyfour wrote: post #24
danderino wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think pretty much everything is male dominated no? Its not just corporate world. Sports, politics, business, war,etc. >Secondly, movies are fictional worlds so they can represent whatever their creators choose them to represent. They could be representing more equally. They're not. I don't think this is fair. Some movies are completely fictional, but most are set on reality in some way. And I bet that in those comp…

Except it's really not. Reality is an equal number of female and male voices. It's ridiculous movies don't tell women stories, nor show women characters; just "love interest", "plot device", etc. Even in fantasy a female lead is surrounded by a male ensemble or is a proto-male. Hollywood: we have creative freedom, movies can be whatever we want, and we make them sexist. IMHO, seeing Hollywood's sexism really ought no…

> It's ridiculous movies don't tell women stories, nor show women characters; just "love interest", "plot device", etc. Even in fantasy a female lead is surrounded by a male ensemble or is a proto-male.

Looking at the Disney films made in the past decade, it appears female protagonist leads are more prevalent (e.g. Moana, Brave, Frozen, Spirited Away, etc.)

Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males

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Post by 19eightyfour »

doc_gunthrop wrote: post #33
19eightyfour wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's really not. Reality is an equal number of female and male voices. It's ridiculous movies don't tell women stories, nor show women characters; just "love interest", "plot device", etc. Even in fantasy a female lead is surrounded by a male ensemble or is a proto-male. Hollywood: we have creative freedom, movies can be whatever we want, and we make them sexist. IMHO, seeing Hollywood's sexism really ought no…

> It's ridiculous movies don't tell women stories, nor show women characters; just "love interest", "plot device", etc. Even in fantasy a female lead is surrounded by a male ensemble or is a proto-male. Looking at the Disney films made in the past decade, it appears female protagonist leads are more prevalent (e.g. Moana, Brave, Frozen, Spirited Away, etc.)

Don't quote this

> It's ridiculous movies don't tell women stories, nor show women characters; just "love interest", "plot device", etc

To pretend a handful of Disney animations contradict this and make movies representative. They don't.

It's ridiculous movies are not representative. But they're not.

Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males

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Post by melbourne7 »

forgottenpass wrote: post #32
Iv wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never heard of this study or it's debunking. I would owe you 2 TIL if you could provide some sources!

http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/02/12/before-you-get-too-exci...

that's GitHub, not Facebook

Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males

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Post by danderino »

19eightyfour wrote: post #24
danderino wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think pretty much everything is male dominated no? Its not just corporate world. Sports, politics, business, war,etc. >Secondly, movies are fictional worlds so they can represent whatever their creators choose them to represent. They could be representing more equally. They're not. I don't think this is fair. Some movies are completely fictional, but most are set on reality in some way. And I bet that in those comp…

Except it's really not. Reality is an equal number of female and male voices. It's ridiculous movies don't tell women stories, nor show women characters; just "love interest", "plot device", etc. Even in fantasy a female lead is surrounded by a male ensemble or is a proto-male. Hollywood: we have creative freedom, movies can be whatever we want, and we make them sexist. IMHO, seeing Hollywood's sexism really ought no…

>Except it's really not. Reality is an equal number of female and male voices.

Not in things you'd make a move around.

Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males

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Post by 19eightyfour »

danderino wrote: post #37
19eightyfour wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's really not. Reality is an equal number of female and male voices. It's ridiculous movies don't tell women stories, nor show women characters; just "love interest", "plot device", etc. Even in fantasy a female lead is surrounded by a male ensemble or is a proto-male. Hollywood: we have creative freedom, movies can be whatever we want, and we make them sexist. IMHO, seeing Hollywood's sexism really ought no…

>Except it's really not. Reality is an equal number of female and male voices. Not in things you'd make a move around.

No, reality really is

> an equal number of female and male voices.

and I really would tell those stories... If I made movies. Don't pretend it isn't nor I wouldn't. And don't pretend they wouldn't be great movies because they would. They're just not being made and that's sexism plain and simple.

If you let the misrepresentations tell you what the reality is, you'll think there's no such women stories of course. If you open your eyes and heart and feel and think for yourself I know you'll see those stories that Hollywood could be making, but hasn't.

Or maybe you don't want to believe that, nor hear those voices, nor see those stories, nor tell them. I don't know, that's for you to think about it.

But the problem is not that the stories are not there, they really are. Nor that the stories are not great stories, they really are. The problem is that the stories, these stories, these womens stories, are not getting told. That's the problem. And that's sexist.

Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males

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Post by Iv »

forgottenpass wrote: post #32
Iv wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never heard of this study or it's debunking. I would owe you 2 TIL if you could provide some sources!

http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/02/12/before-you-get-too-exci...

Thanks a lot!

Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males

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Post by retrogradeorbit »

IshKebab wrote: post #25
retrogradeorbit wrote: post #22

Why not blind the code reviews? So the reviewing engineers have no idea who wrote the code? Do that for a while and see if the 35% persists. It might go down. It might persist. It might go up.

Difficult to work on a project without knowing who your coworkers are...

I mean for the purpose of a study. Not for day to day coding.
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