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Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by balac »

dkersten wrote: post #19
adrianN wrote: post #4

I'm currently using vim and I'm quite happy with it. I don't use many plugins, so better support for plugins is not very helpful to me. Are there other reasons why I should switch to Neovim?

Do any of the plugins that you do use slow the editor down? Eg some completion plugins that parse code may not be the fastest. Neovim makes this asynchronous so it no longer blocks you're editing while its working away in the background. The built in terminal is nice too (I use it to give me a "real" REPL for Clojure development)

vim 8 also now supports asynchronous plugins (not sure how many have been upgraded though).

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by cygned »

gkya wrote: post #28
ptero wrote: post #23

I have been using Vim as my primary editor for many years and am happy with it. People I know who use developer editors are split between Vim and Emacs. Neovim usage is minimal. Why? It is an honest question. I see developers of the editor happy, which is a good thing, but IMO to get more users NV must show why it is better from a user perspective -- have several demos on the powerful things easily achieved with NV t…

I'm an Emacs user and that's because the Unix way doesn't quite work out well in practice: composition is hard, requires textual transformation with many possible edge cases as glue which is hard to build and maintain and is bug-prone, and interfaces are cryptic, only partly portable and inconsistent. Elisp on the other hand is a nicer primitive for building my day-to-day tools: Uniform data format everywhere; buffer…

I used vim and neovim for quite some time and eventually switched back to Emacs. The "you do not have to leave your environment" is actually quite nice. magit and org-mode are awesome. Color scheming is actually easier.

Still having trouble with identation, though. vim is just smarter ...

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by gkya »

andyhoang wrote: post #11
oblio wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For your use case, probably not many reasons. Maybe the built in terminal?

What good of a built in terminal? Thanks

In Emacs the shell-mode allow me to use the shell as any other buffer, with random access and scrolling. I can cut and paste stuff just like in any other text buffer, manipulate the output of my session to save it to some file / send it to someone else, etc. IDK how it is in nvim but I'm quite pleased with shell in Emacs, can't go back at all. Though if you're using tmux or maybe screen you can probably do similar things.

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by jamesrcole »

ptero wrote: post #23

I have been using Vim as my primary editor for many years and am happy with it. People I know who use developer editors are split between Vim and Emacs. Neovim usage is minimal. Why? It is an honest question. I see developers of the editor happy, which is a good thing, but IMO to get more users NV must show why it is better from a user perspective -- have several demos on the powerful things easily achieved with NV t…

> Neovim usage is minimal.

I don't know how much it is used, but what are you basing that claim on?

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by 101km »

fao_ wrote: post #25
ptero wrote: post #23

I have been using Vim as my primary editor for many years and am happy with it. People I know who use developer editors are split between Vim and Emacs. Neovim usage is minimal. Why? It is an honest question. I see developers of the editor happy, which is a good thing, but IMO to get more users NV must show why it is better from a user perspective -- have several demos on the powerful things easily achieved with NV t…

Honestly for me the main reason was that it finally has builtin `:terminal`. The plugins for use with vim have always been slightly buggy for me.

Can you please elaborate how you make use of the built in terminal emulation of neovim? Whenever I see a mention I think "neat" but have yet to integrate it into my workflow.

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by gkya »

cygned wrote: post #32
gkya wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an Emacs user and that's because the Unix way doesn't quite work out well in practice: composition is hard, requires textual transformation with many possible edge cases as glue which is hard to build and maintain and is bug-prone, and interfaces are cryptic, only partly portable and inconsistent. Elisp on the other hand is a nicer primitive for building my day-to-day tools: Uniform data format everywhere; buffer…

I used vim and neovim for quite some time and eventually switched back to Emacs. The "you do not have to leave your environment" is actually quite nice. magit and org-mode are awesome. Color scheming is actually easier. Still having trouble with identation, though. vim is just smarter ...

FWIW, I disable electric-indent globally and use C-j instead of RET which indents after new-line (it's bound to electric-newline-and-maybe-indent, I believe it's the default binding):

C-j runs the command electric-newline-and-maybe-indent (found in global-map), which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in ‘electric.el’.

It is bound to C-j.

(electric-newline-and-maybe-indent)

Insert a newline. If ‘electric-indent-mode’ is enabled, that’s that, but if it is disabled then additionally indent according to major mode. Indentation is done using the value of ‘indent-line-function’. In programming language modes, this is the same as TAB. In some text modes, where TAB inserts a tab, this command indents to the column specified by the function ‘current-left-margin’.

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by empath75 »

ptero wrote: post #23

I have been using Vim as my primary editor for many years and am happy with it. People I know who use developer editors are split between Vim and Emacs. Neovim usage is minimal. Why? It is an honest question. I see developers of the editor happy, which is a good thing, but IMO to get more users NV must show why it is better from a user perspective -- have several demos on the powerful things easily achieved with NV t…

The simple answer is probably the correct one. It's not included by default in any distributions.

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by cosarara97 »

empath75 wrote: post #37
ptero wrote: post #23

I have been using Vim as my primary editor for many years and am happy with it. People I know who use developer editors are split between Vim and Emacs. Neovim usage is minimal. Why? It is an honest question. I see developers of the editor happy, which is a good thing, but IMO to get more users NV must show why it is better from a user perspective -- have several demos on the powerful things easily achieved with NV t…

The simple answer is probably the correct one. It's not included by default in any distributions.

Some distros do have it in the official repos https://github.com/neovim/neovim/wiki/Installing-Neovim

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by executesorder66 »

cosarara97 wrote: post #38
empath75 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The simple answer is probably the correct one. It's not included by default in any distributions.

Some distros do have it in the official repos https://github.com/neovim/neovim/wiki/Installing-Neovim

Yes, but it is not installed as the default text editor. Unlike vi/vim/nano

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by oblio »

gkya wrote: post #33
andyhoang wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What good of a built in terminal? Thanks

In Emacs the shell-mode allow me to use the shell as any other buffer, with random access and scrolling. I can cut and paste stuff just like in any other text buffer, manipulate the output of my session to save it to some file / send it to someone else, etc. IDK how it is in nvim but I'm quite pleased with shell in Emacs, can't go back at all. Though if you're using tmux or maybe screen you can probably do similar th…

The Vim :sh is much more limited. I actually kind of stopped using it a while ago because it the workflow was so jarring, especially on Windows.

Neovim's :terminal is from what I can tell more or less equivalent to Emacs's shell.

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