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Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by soineuh »

jaaames wrote: post #29
soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

Sounds like you need to try out some LSD bro.

There it is, ladies and gentlemen. He frames it as a joke, but he probably believes it.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by soineuh »

themgt wrote: post #3

Beautiful quote from him in the article: When I began to navigate psychospace with LSD, I realized that before we were conscious, seemingly self-propelled human beings, many tapes and corridors had been created in our minds and reflexes which were not of our own making. These patterns and tapes laid down in our consciousness are walled off from each other. I see it as a vast labyrinth with high walls sealing off the…

That's not a beautiful quote, it's incoherent nonsense. You're reading bones, mystic brute.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by [deleted] »

soineuh wrote: post #32
themgt wrote: post #3

Beautiful quote from him in the article: When I began to navigate psychospace with LSD, I realized that before we were conscious, seemingly self-propelled human beings, many tapes and corridors had been created in our minds and reflexes which were not of our own making. These patterns and tapes laid down in our consciousness are walled off from each other. I see it as a vast labyrinth with high walls sealing off the…

That's not a beautiful quote, it's incoherent nonsense. You're reading bones, mystic brute.

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Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by jahsjahs »

soineuh wrote: post #31
jaaames wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you need to try out some LSD bro.

There it is, ladies and gentlemen. He frames it as a joke, but he probably believes it.

Your perspective can't be dismissed.

From my perspective, to put my anecdotal experience beside yours, I know many very stable, very loving, very intelligent people who use LSD occasionally. These people generally don't talk about it, or haphazardly recommend it to others. But they do enjoy the experience of altered consciousness, and the experience of experimenting with new thoughts and perspective.

If it is a damaging drug, as you claim, then these people emerge from their trips strengthened from the harm. If it has irrevocably altered their personalities, then it has done so to their benefit.

LSD, like other drugs, is a way to play. There are those who take it too seriously - this crowd are as ridiculous to outsiders as the whisky, coffee, or marijuana enthusiast. But for most, it is simply a safe and reasonable way to spend a day in leisure.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by good_vibes »

themgt wrote: post #3

Beautiful quote from him in the article: When I began to navigate psychospace with LSD, I realized that before we were conscious, seemingly self-propelled human beings, many tapes and corridors had been created in our minds and reflexes which were not of our own making. These patterns and tapes laid down in our consciousness are walled off from each other. I see it as a vast labyrinth with high walls sealing off the…

That's been my experience for sure. Found the underlying unity of all things and how duality is the root of all of the world's problems, man vs. nature, race, gender, class.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by vosper »

soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

I'm hesitant to put in the effort to make a genuine criticism, since the care you claim you'll respond with is notably lacking from your original post.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by fiatpandas »

nnfy wrote: post #18

These people arguably changed the world. Early psychonauts and LSD use are tied to the beginnings of the electronic frontier foundation, and the concept of an open information space and an alternative reality for all of humanity to use freely. There is a documentary which shows in interviews that these ideals were at least partially inspired by LSD use. I hope someday to conquer my anxiety to a degree sufficient to e…

>there is a documentary

What's the title?

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by simias »

soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

Your comment is unpopular because it doesn't bring anything of value to the conversation. I'm not really sure what you want to say, or why you think that a thread about the death of Nick Sand is the right place to say it.

All you do is make grand, unsourced claims such as calling LSD "an objectively useless and destructive drug" followed by preemptive insults on anybody who'd dare to respond. You should work less on trying to sound clever and more on actually saying clever things. "the delicate and exhaustingly intentional intellectual and emotional process that has produced every genuine, valuable human insight in history", seriously?

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by batushka »

soineuh wrote: post #26
soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

If this Nick Sand guy's most notable work is synthesizing large amounts of LSD, I celebrate his passing and hope with the best intentions that his legacy dies with him too.

Others would say he created culture. But culture of what? Culture of addiction and spiritual coaches, who are just vagrants in many cases? Enlighten me too.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by acrefoot »

soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

It's a pretty late hour here in the USA (where I expect most would-be respondents are living), and yet you followup with a smug edit, since no one has met your challenge in a mere two hours:

> As anticipated, this comment is unpopular. However, no one has yet attempted to articulate a criticism

You aren't owed a fruitful discussion, and it's clear you're not looking for one. That's criticism enough, but I'll continue.

> spits in the face of process that has produced every genuine, valuable human insight in history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelics_in_problem-solvin... and other anecdotal experiments and experiences seem to indicate otherwise.

> I haven't encountered a single LSD advocate that wasn't conspicuously unstable and self-hating

I'm sorry that this has been your experience. That hasn't been my experience. There are a lot of quiet users of LSD, so given your aggressive stance against it, you're most likely to only encounter the most outspoken/optimistic ones. How about someone like James Fadiman? How is he conspicuously unstable and self-hating?

> we don't say a word when they encourage others to risk everything

Many recognize that not every psychological experience is harmless or positive. I see a lot of people warning of the risk of correlation with schizophrenia, and others warning that a negative experience can do a number on your psyche. It's not for everyone, and not for anyone all the time, and many make the point to responsibly disclose that.

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