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Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers
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Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers
#32Despite the title of the article, I see one thing unmentioned: general reputation of incompetence. However, nearly everybody I know in IT, from different countries and backgrounds, knows "Indian code" to be a meme of not only bad quality but gross, mind-boggling incompetence. I don't have a personal experience with indian companies and/or engineers, so don't have a personal opinion on that matter. If anything, it see…
Shit code doesn't have nationality. But in general outsourcing works only if you have strong technical leadership onshore. And this job sucks. I managed Infy's onshore/offshore team and it was decent but it was hard due to our management being dickheads and Indians being shielded by their management so basically our comms were filtered by two layers of nonsense and 1-2 days of time difference. Onshore guys were great but I always felt for them not being treated nicely by Infy and being pretty powerless in the process. Actually this is why the project was outsourced first place as us locals just ask too many questions and often say WHY and NO to stupid requirements.
Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers
#33People recognize Indian engineers (competent or not, racism or no) as the weapons of wage suppression.
I mean, when you put your "scum-bag profit or nothing boss" thinking hat on, it makes so much sense.
You can hire these people, and they'll accept extremely noncompetitive wages (lowers wages), over-saturates the labour market (lowers wages), AND gives a nice boost to PR because on the outside it seems like this company is "diversely hiring from all backgrounds".
Great!
Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers
#34As a matter of fact, in India, engineers mostly avoid service based Indian companies like Infosys, CTS, TCS unless otherwise they are in the extreme bottom end of the funnel (they just need a job) or at the extreme top end (disproportionate high pay).
These firms are notorious for their carrot (probable on-site opportunities) and stick (mindless work hours clocking among others) approach, and their typical workplace is full of discontent and frustration. Just for an example, I have known people working there who were trying to game the clocking system by finding a bug that allowed them to leave early provided they clock before midnight from any of the offices which would increase their clocking hours.
That aside, these firms are just a small part of the actual tech scene in India, except they have sheer numbers when it comes to the H1B process, which kind of projects these firms as representative entities of Indian engineers.
Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers
#35Despite the title of the article, I see one thing unmentioned: general reputation of incompetence. However, nearly everybody I know in IT, from different countries and backgrounds, knows "Indian code" to be a meme of not only bad quality but gross, mind-boggling incompetence. I don't have a personal experience with indian companies and/or engineers, so don't have a personal opinion on that matter. If anything, it see…
I've met a few brilliant Indian engineers. I asked one of them why he was different to his peers.
He explained that most of his peers don't enjoy or like what they are doing. They chose to become a developer, because it's a potential path to become a 'manager', which has a higher status in the eyes of their parents, friends and family.
Edit: But we have to be careful not to stereo type. I think a comment made here is pretty good 'Shit code doesn't have nationality'. We just need to understand the motivators for people to become an engineer and if the joy of creating something with code isn't up there and it's mainly about money or a stepping stone to higher status, then code quality will suffer as it seems.
Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers
#36While many Indians seeking employment abroad are impacted a lot by these changes, I don't think the sentiment behind these changes has much to do with Indian people per se. There's a global backlash against too much immigration in general. Indians are just caught in the mix.
People are tired of the corporate owned politicians allowing companies to run roughshod over the laws, morals & expectations of society. This is expressed in many ways, from xenophobia to the rise of Bernie Sanders & Donald Trump. People don't want another corporate owned shill like either of the Clintons, both Bushes, and Obama, and I'd wager that Obama knew this in 2008, hence why he made sure his moderately grassr…
If they didn't want a corporate owned shill why did they elect a corporate shill?
>where low cost workers from overseas work at every single Tim Hortons.
This isn't reality I think you need to check your information sources.
Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers
#37While many Indians seeking employment abroad are impacted a lot by these changes, I don't think the sentiment behind these changes has much to do with Indian people per se. There's a global backlash against too much immigration in general. Indians are just caught in the mix.
I disagree. At least here in New Zealand, there's a subtle racist undertone, you never hear people complaining about all the Europeans arriving.
People conveniently ignore the fact that we receive as many immigrants from Europe as from Asia (including India but excluding the Middle East).
Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers
#38While many Indians seeking employment abroad are impacted a lot by these changes, I don't think the sentiment behind these changes has much to do with Indian people per se. There's a global backlash against too much immigration in general. Indians are just caught in the mix.
People are tired of the corporate owned politicians allowing companies to run roughshod over the laws, morals & expectations of society. This is expressed in many ways, from xenophobia to the rise of Bernie Sanders & Donald Trump. People don't want another corporate owned shill like either of the Clintons, both Bushes, and Obama, and I'd wager that Obama knew this in 2008, hence why he made sure his moderately grassr…
This is satire right? I'm struggling to see how obama rates as corporate shill while trump is somehow an angel...
Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers
#39Despite the title of the article, I see one thing unmentioned: general reputation of incompetence. However, nearly everybody I know in IT, from different countries and backgrounds, knows "Indian code" to be a meme of not only bad quality but gross, mind-boggling incompetence. I don't have a personal experience with indian companies and/or engineers, so don't have a personal opinion on that matter. If anything, it see…
I've met a few brilliant Indian engineers. I asked one of them why he was different to his peers. He explained that most of his peers don't enjoy or like what they are doing. They chose to become a developer, because it's a potential path to become a 'manager', which has a higher status in the eyes of their parents, friends and family. Edit: But we have to be careful not to stereo type. I think a comment made here is…
True, I am an Indian engineer living in India and have written one of the most user friendly guides to writing webapps in Go, https://github.com/thewhitetulip/web-dev-golang-anti-textboo...
Thus, we can't just generalize.
Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed that the replacement happens. I'm saying "give jobs to locals than outsiders" is tribalism. (Not saying if it's right or wrong -- just that it's by definition tribalism).
Not sure if it's tribalism so much as protecting the local economy against salary arbitrage.
Are the products of your "local economy" sold locally. If not, then you have no right to claim protection.