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Slack Faces Giant Tech Rivals

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Re: Slack Faces Giant Tech Rivals

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> [...] a fancy IRC with a new account that has to be set up - that's a hard sell when you're an org of 100+ employees [...] Slack appears to support SAML SSO, with a list of supported providers and ability to roll a custom one ( https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/205168057 ). Haven't tried/needed it, but wouldn't that care of this particular problem?

Can confirm - at my ultra-massive employer where we have a considerable number of very large Slack teams, we use SAML to authenticate Slack against our intranet ID and everything more or less works.

I see, that was not set up at my last work place, so I was not aware it was an option.

I have edited my original post to correct this with an updated content piece. Thank you both for letting me know.

Re: Slack Faces Giant Tech Rivals

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I really hate the way tech is trending. Startups have basically become free market validation for the tech kings. They can just wait to see what works, then copy it and kill the startup that did it first. With tech more than any other industry the rich get richer. Combined with how tight the big tech companies have gotten with Washington DC and they've basically become too big to fail.

I like(d) slack as much as the next person when my last workplace used it, but we used it over gchat for some reason, right around when Hangouts had just been early released for Google Business/Apps for Education Users. Slack was slick, nice, and definitely fun, but we already had a chat system that more-or-less did the same thing. I don't think that Slack's issue is so much that other companies are just copying it,…

I don't think it is fair to classify them as just a "fancy IRC". I see technical people myself included think of them that way, but why isn't a slightly fancier IRC dominant?

Seamless mobile clients, integrations, animated gifs, etc. Slack has a lot of small but very sticky features.

Re: Slack Faces Giant Tech Rivals

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I really hate the way tech is trending. Startups have basically become free market validation for the tech kings. They can just wait to see what works, then copy it and kill the startup that did it first. With tech more than any other industry the rich get richer. Combined with how tight the big tech companies have gotten with Washington DC and they've basically become too big to fail.

I had this thought the other day, even though I doubt it's original, and it seems like income inequality is growing to be so massive that its impossible, or at least much harder, to build a business anymore. If you hit a creative idea and get customers, you're either going to get bought up by the giants or be competing with giants. Even bigger, more established companies like slack or NYT find themselves between a ro…

How is journalism wrecked by social? By social you mean social (aka fake) news?

Re: Slack Faces Giant Tech Rivals

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I really hate the way tech is trending. Startups have basically become free market validation for the tech kings. They can just wait to see what works, then copy it and kill the startup that did it first. With tech more than any other industry the rich get richer. Combined with how tight the big tech companies have gotten with Washington DC and they've basically become too big to fail.

I had this thought the other day, even though I doubt it's original, and it seems like income inequality is growing to be so massive that its impossible, or at least much harder, to build a business anymore. If you hit a creative idea and get customers, you're either going to get bought up by the giants or be competing with giants. Even bigger, more established companies like slack or NYT find themselves between a ro…

> income inequality is growing to be so massive that its impossible, or at least much harder, to build a business anymore.

> If you hit a creative idea and get customers, you're either going to get bought up by the giants or be competing with giants.

These two ideas are diametrically opposed. If it's impossible to build a business then you'd expect that their you'd get no offers to buy your company (indicating that it is valued highly) or that entry into new markets would be near-impossible in the first place (like starting a new bank). What you're actually complaining about here is that big companies won't give startups space to build their own little monopolies. That shouldn't be surprising, in fact part of the reason startups are meant to be lean in the first place is to out-manoeuvre and out-compete large bureaucratic organisations.

> Even bigger, more established companies like slack or NYT find themselves between a rock and hard place. Look at whats happening with journalism, it's geting wrecked by social, how can they possibly compete?

NYT are in a pickle because advertising is a terrible business model in the 21st century and no-one buys newspaper subscriptions any more. They need to find a new way to reap a profit from journalism, preferably one that doesn't result in them turning into Buzzfeed for cheap clicks.

(to add a personal opinion here, I think that journalism is likely to be entirely be replaced by citizen journalism and sousveillance, and that this is a leap forward in freedom of information and openness of the truth).

> All of the services used by the majority of people have been consolidated by just a few companies. This is terrible for both quality and personal privacy, not to mention pricing.

The whole point of market competition is that if one company offering a fungible (and I'd argue software is mostly fungible when it can be easily replicated) product over-prices relative to the market, a competitor will undercut them. Also, the fact that companies like Slack exist is testament to the fact that Microsoft and friends _haven't_ managed to get a stranglehold on the software market.

I don't know what world you're living in but the reality is not as grim as you're making out.

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800 employees?! How?!

My exact thought. Good thing I Control + F'd "800" before duplicating your comment.

800 employees is especially insane for a serial entrepreneur like Stuart Butterfield who should know better. Then again, the Twitter guys including Ev Williams were serial entrepreneurs and yet the overhired too. It seems an interesting coincidence in the technology sector that viral user growth often can lead to viral hiring.

Re: Slack Faces Giant Tech Rivals

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800 employees?! How?!

how: they've raised over half a billion dollars. my own question is "why." slack is by no means a trivial business to run but 800 does seem awfully high.

Is Whatsapp a good comparison in terms of product? I remember reading the engineering team there before they got purchased was less than 50 members.

Re: Slack Faces Giant Tech Rivals

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I really hate the way tech is trending. Startups have basically become free market validation for the tech kings. They can just wait to see what works, then copy it and kill the startup that did it first. With tech more than any other industry the rich get richer. Combined with how tight the big tech companies have gotten with Washington DC and they've basically become too big to fail.

It has always been like that. Thinking this is new or trending is a really naive point of view. The business world is unethical, immoral, frequently borders on the illegal, and hardly ever does the right thing. If you think any of the tech companies are any different then you drank the kool aid.

They are not too big to fail. The bubble we are in makes it seem that way. Cheap money makes valuations soar. Won't last much longer though. A good thing because thats when you can really make some money.

Re: Slack Faces Giant Tech Rivals

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I really hate the way tech is trending. Startups have basically become free market validation for the tech kings. They can just wait to see what works, then copy it and kill the startup that did it first. With tech more than any other industry the rich get richer. Combined with how tight the big tech companies have gotten with Washington DC and they've basically become too big to fail.

The effect you're describing might be a temporary anomaly. If startups are consistently damaged by tech giants copying them, startups will get lower valuations. If startups get lower valuations, tech giants might as well just acquire them rather than bothering to copy. It may reach an equilibrium.

Re: Slack Faces Giant Tech Rivals

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750 employees? I don't get it. Slack is great, but it's also incredibly easy to copy. To the big tech guys this is just a feature, not a product, and that's Slack's challenge. It's totally fine if they don't take the enterprise by storm and remain a niche product, but then they can't be a 750 person company. That stupid full page add thing they did when Teams came out also makes the leadership team look a bit clueles…

> but it's also incredibly easy to copy.

I used to have same attitude but what I have learned over the years is that sometimes the big Co just does not get it. Just look at Google with its 100 chat applications, it's like watching Titanic hitting an iceberg in slow motion.

Re: Slack Faces Giant Tech Rivals

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I really hate the way tech is trending. Startups have basically become free market validation for the tech kings. They can just wait to see what works, then copy it and kill the startup that did it first. With tech more than any other industry the rich get richer. Combined with how tight the big tech companies have gotten with Washington DC and they've basically become too big to fail.

Nothing new here. Look at Netscape, eventually being surpassed by Internet Explorer. (Which in turn was surpassed by Safari and Chrome)

It's very hard for large companies to do large scale decentralized R&D, so they copy and buy companies that are doing it. This isn't an awful thing. In many cases the original technologists get acquired. If the market is big enough, big players will want in too.

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