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Re: Vivaldi makes History

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Post by Aeyris »

dzek69 wrote: post #16
Aeyris wrote: post #3

As nice as all the features they've added are, I can't help but see Vivaldi as "Chromium but Blink probably isn't completely up to date", and it worries me more than a little to use a browser where the latest (potentially high impact) changes to the browser rendering engine aren't remedied until the next browser patch.

I'm using Vivaldi since first public release and I haven't encountered any issue regarding to Blink stability. I'm using only newest snapshots (so they should be considered unstable) as my daily work & private browser and never had a reason to roll back. IIRC they using even nightlies from Blink in their snapshots, so "getting behind" shouldn't be considered a problem I think. But putting everything aside, let's assu…

I'm talking about security issues, specifically. A lot of the vulnerabilities found within Chrome[0] would be actually within Blink.

0: http://www.cvedetails.com/product/15031/Google-Chrome.html?v...

Re: Vivaldi makes History

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Post by theGimp »

red023 wrote: post #27
theGimp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The license in the LICENSE file looks like BSD 2.0. The proprietary license you mention is only in the Windows installer (according a quick grep) ... but it's still legally murky in my uneducated opinion. Anyway, license notwithstanding, they do not publish the latest source. The download page has version 1.8, whose source is not available for download. There is also no repository and so no public history of changes…

CEO Quote from the above link. "In addition, all of our UI code (included in normal packages) is written in plain, readable text. This means that all parts of Vivaldi are full audit-able and open from that perspective." So in other words. No that code is NOT open source. And he can stuck his "open from that perspective." BS up his ass. I am not gonna use stuff from people who do crap like this. AFAIK the Wikipedia pa…

Can't say I disagree with the sentiment, but you can communicate the same thing while maintaining civility.

Re: Vivaldi makes History

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Post by aluhut »

My first thoughts on this:

- I still won't use it because googling/favorites are faster.

- Somebody might find this useful if he/she wants to spy on the user.

Not sure if the time investment was worth it. I only use it as a reference browser.

Re: Vivaldi makes History

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Post by vorticalbox »

digitalshankar wrote: post #21

Vivaldi looks so stable and rock solid, uses Blink engine, although the title is a clickbait. About the history feature, if a website is important i will bookmark it, i want history only for that session, not save it for future search, again that's my opinion. However the features like tab muting, taking notes are very good and that's what the user needs. Wish it would have been Open Source. I prefer Vivaldi over IE.…

> About the history feature, if a website is important i will bookmark it, i want history only for that session, not save it for future search, again that's my opinion.

100% on this, Though I will say it is a very cool feature.

Re: Vivaldi makes History

#35

Post by JustSomeNobody »

pasta wrote: post #9
timonovici wrote: post #5

While I rarely looked at the code behind a browser (mostly webkit, to debug some weird stuff with capybara-webkit), it is highly uncomfortable to me to use a non-free browser... Does it track my behavior, do they sell that information - I don't have time to mess around with Wireshark and see what it does; On the "history" upgrade idea - that's a really cool one; It's quite often that I'm looking for that page I acces…

Your argument about the closed source is weak. Messing around with Wireshark is probably quicker than reading thousands of locs. I understand the value of open source. But I'm still not sure if it matters. A lot of people think that open source software does not track personal data. But how do they know? Have they read all the code? Do they even understand all code? It's much easier to run Wireshark to check what the…

I think the difference is that with open source there's a chance that one could find out about tracking, fix it, then continue to use the product. With a closed source solution, this is almost impossible.

Re: Vivaldi makes History

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Post by userbinator »

buro9 wrote: post #30

Wouldn't it be great if the browser could be configured to simply sync this information to a calendar app of your choosing? This way, be it local or an online service like Google Calendar, the data would be under your control and would make sense across computers, and could be viewed in relation to other time-based data. i.e. if your tweets also ended up in a calendar you could see the tweets that led to a browse, th…

History is a lot less scary when it provides the user with the bulk of the value.

On the other hand, I'd argue that showing it at that level of detail to the user makes it more scary.

Re: Vivaldi makes History

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Post by DanielBMarkham »

Meta: I find it odd that we live and work on an internet where everything we do is tracked and logged in fine detail. Huge companies do this every second of every day. Many folks, including me, don't like it. Each day my feed is full of news from these companies offering new products and services.

But when a new company comes along that is trying to break that cycle? Suddenly a ton of people pop out of the woodwork to warn us there might be a privacy concern.

Ok sure, but where the hell were you guys when Apple talked about it's new file system, or LG released new smart TVs, or when a dozen other newsworthy things happened in the last week from big companies who are scooping up all of our data? These are not companies that might scoop up data. These are companies that are already doing it.

Look, I'm full-bore tinfoil hat guy, but after watching this for years, there seems to be a lot of selective outrage going on online. Some folks get a free pass. Some folks get trashed for much less. I find that very odd.

Re: Vivaldi makes History

#38

Post by 0xCMP »

notum wrote: post #8

What happens tomorrow, if Vivaldi becomes history? Do we own this data? How is it stored? Where is it located? Can we access this with any other tool? I know I'm begging for down-votes but I simply cannot understand how people can commit something as personal as web browsing to a closed source solution.

Also their privacy policy is pretty direct about them not collecting much information.

https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/

Not a sure thing obviously, but it's something I haven't seen mentioned yet here.

Re: Vivaldi makes History

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Post by actsasbuffoon »

0xCMP wrote: post #38
notum wrote: post #8

What happens tomorrow, if Vivaldi becomes history? Do we own this data? How is it stored? Where is it located? Can we access this with any other tool? I know I'm begging for down-votes but I simply cannot understand how people can commit something as personal as web browsing to a closed source solution.

Also their privacy policy is pretty direct about them not collecting much information. https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/ Not a sure thing obviously, but it's something I haven't seen mentioned yet here.

That's a great privacy policy! It's brief and clearly worded.

I'd been holding off on using Vivaldi because I wanted to know exactly what information was being collected. I tried to find the privacy policy on their site, but could only find the one regarding the data their website collects.

To the Vivaldi team: You might consider making this privacy policy more prominent on your site. Not being able to find it was literally the only reason I hadn't tried your browser until now.

Re: Vivaldi makes History

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Post by red023 »

theGimp wrote: post #32
red023 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CEO Quote from the above link. "In addition, all of our UI code (included in normal packages) is written in plain, readable text. This means that all parts of Vivaldi are full audit-able and open from that perspective." So in other words. No that code is NOT open source. And he can stuck his "open from that perspective." BS up his ass. I am not gonna use stuff from people who do crap like this. AFAIK the Wikipedia pa…

Can't say I disagree with the sentiment, but you can communicate the same thing while maintaining civility.

civility sucks.
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