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Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by wyldfire »

hourislate wrote: post #22
gnaritas wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What exactly are we investigating? Collusion between Trump/team and Russia. It's one thing for Russia to mess with an election, it's a vastly different thing if the campaign coordinated with them to do it.

It strikes me as odd that Americans don't seem to mind that a President to some extent might be serving the interests of a foreign power above the interests of the his own citizens. Who would have thought so many Americans would have a love affair with a KGB Agent that is responsible for murder and oppression and for his entire life worked to undermine America and has accomplished that to some extent with this Admini…

The current President is surrounded by a cult of personality. It makes it easier to see all of the news reports in the vein of "bitter mass media upset about election results" or "pandering to SJW/PC crowd."

Maybe it's just me but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of journalists are in some part motivated by their displeasure with the President's demeanor and public behavior. But that motivation doesn't mean they're dishonest, it just means that they will follow through on every lead in an investigation regarding POTUS corruption.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by sanjeetsuhag »

okket wrote: post #11

Trump on Feb. 15 — after Flynn was fired — saying Flynn's a "wonderful man [who'] been treated very, very unfairly by the media" https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/847587940557623296

Flynn himself said in an interview with Chuck Todd last year: "When you are given immunity, that means that you've probably committed a crime".

Source: https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/847600901653012482

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by mirimir »

hourislate wrote: post #22
gnaritas wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What exactly are we investigating? Collusion between Trump/team and Russia. It's one thing for Russia to mess with an election, it's a vastly different thing if the campaign coordinated with them to do it.

It strikes me as odd that Americans don't seem to mind that a President to some extent might be serving the interests of a foreign power above the interests of the his own citizens. Who would have thought so many Americans would have a love affair with a KGB Agent that is responsible for murder and oppression and for his entire life worked to undermine America and has accomplished that to some extent with this Admini…

Indeed. Not all Americans, but enough.

And hey, even W liked Putin. He's a regular sort of manly man. Like the current President seems to idealize, in his own cokehead yuppie way.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by mirimir »

jMyles wrote: post #29
hourislate wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It strikes me as odd that Americans don't seem to mind that a President to some extent might be serving the interests of a foreign power above the interests of the his own citizens. Who would have thought so many Americans would have a love affair with a KGB Agent that is responsible for murder and oppression and for his entire life worked to undermine America and has accomplished that to some extent with this Admini…

I think that the part you are missing is that the vast majority (like 65%) don't support or respect this President at all. Of all the terrible things the government has done in the past 1 / 10 / 100 years, I don't think that a candidate coordinating with Russia about which fake news to publish is even worth mentioning. If Congress has the guts to investigate the Steele dossier (which alleged Trump traded eased regula…

Russia's goal is fragmenting the US. Just as the US did to the Soviet Union. Turnabout is fair play, no?

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by CalChris »

“When you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime.”

— Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, in an interview with NBC News on September 25, 2016.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/25/gen_flynn_...

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by aanm1988 »

jMyles wrote: post #2

Listen, I know it's a big deal when the POTUS lies. But aren't we used to it by now? If Trump somehow manages not to be a criminal and a crook (which seems downright impossible), it will be highly unusual for the recent history of his office. Now: other than bluster, what is there actually about this "Russia" probe? What exactly are we investigating? Whether Russia was involved in "fake news" stories? Whether Russia…

Yes, was russia involved in fake news.

Yes, did Russia hackthe DNC.

More importantly. Who knew what, and when. Members of Trumps team had contact with Russia. Flynn already resigned over this. Sessions has had to recuse himself because of this. Nunes has engaged in questionable behaviour over this. Manafort had some sort of business relationship with a powerful Russian close to Putin.

There is a dossier from a "credible" source that indicates the Russians have dirt on Trump.

realistically, the question seems to be if Trump (or his team) encouraged Russian influence in the election in exchange for reducing sanctions or other favours.

That is a big deal.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by makomk »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #18
jMyles wrote: post #2

Listen, I know it's a big deal when the POTUS lies. But aren't we used to it by now? If Trump somehow manages not to be a criminal and a crook (which seems downright impossible), it will be highly unusual for the recent history of his office. Now: other than bluster, what is there actually about this "Russia" probe? What exactly are we investigating? Whether Russia was involved in "fake news" stories? Whether Russia…

Uh, no. Aside from the fact that collusion between a foreign government and a presidential campaign would be extremely problematic that's not the major issue. The major allegation on the table right now is that the Russian government offered Trump a sizeable share of Rosneft, the Russian national petrochemical corporation, in exchange for dropping the sanctions against Russia due to the conflict in Ukraine, and both…

That was one of the many dubious allegations doing the rounds, certainly. There were two major problems with it. Firstly, the supposed "dropping of sanctions" a month after Trump took power didn't actually happen. The thing people claimed was dropping the sanctions was actually a small technical change that merely allowed US exporters to pay fees required to export goods that the sanctions weren't intended to block: http://www.snopes.com/trump-sanctions-russias-intelligence-a...

Secondly, the claim that the Russian government offered Trump a share of Rosneft came from a really dodgy dossier. Supporters of the dossier touted the fact that it correctly predicted the percentage of Rosneft share sold as proof the source had inside knowledge, but it was in fact public knowledge that the Russian government wanted to sell that percent of Rosneft and had been reported in Bloomberg a few weeks before the supposed source mentioned it. So it's all too plausible that the source was merely combining public information with what the person paying them wanted to hear.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by losvedir »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #18
jMyles wrote: post #2

Listen, I know it's a big deal when the POTUS lies. But aren't we used to it by now? If Trump somehow manages not to be a criminal and a crook (which seems downright impossible), it will be highly unusual for the recent history of his office. Now: other than bluster, what is there actually about this "Russia" probe? What exactly are we investigating? Whether Russia was involved in "fake news" stories? Whether Russia…

Uh, no. Aside from the fact that collusion between a foreign government and a presidential campaign would be extremely problematic that's not the major issue. The major allegation on the table right now is that the Russian government offered Trump a sizeable share of Rosneft, the Russian national petrochemical corporation, in exchange for dropping the sanctions against Russia due to the conflict in Ukraine, and both…

> The major allegation on the table right now is that the Russian government offered Trump a sizeable share of Rosneft

What? Where are you getting that from (that it's "the major allegation")? It was just one of many claims in the Steele Dossier.

IIRC, in the Steele dossier, that stake in Rosneft (~15% or something?) was offered to Trump and he turned it down. That stake continued to be shopped around and recently was bought by a joint venture between Qatar and others, and some of the buyers can't be identified.

TBH, I'm not really sure why Trump would need to relieve sanctions in order to get a stake in this, as it's clear they've been shopping it around for a while.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by mozumder »

jMyles wrote: post #20
caryhartline wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being down-voted, in part, because you're asking a lot of questions that can easily be solved by web searches.

I've read a lot about this story; I'm not sure what I'm missing. If I'm a web search away, care to give me a LMGTFY?

Basically we're looking at Trump being connected to Russian mafia for all his financing as well as Putin bribing him with 19% stake in the Russian state oil company for removing sanctions, as well as assisting with his campaign by hacking into the Podesta emails, sorta like how there were Watergate DNC office burglars.

Did you want all this in writing from Trump and notarized that he did this? Because that's not how it works. His job is to say he didn't do this.

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