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Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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Well then obviously wages haven't risen enough. For an extreme example, pay me 200$ an hour and I'll quit my web dev job and do it myself.

If money was the sole determiner of what kind of job you'd choose to work, you'd be in finance, enterprise sales, or medicine, not webdev.

There's no amount you could pay me to be a farmer, just like there's no amount you could pay be to become a doctor, a salesman, a lawyer, etc. I'm in tech because I like what I do.

Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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You mean, give them homes on farms? Sure, why not.

Why give them work with decent wages? Just give people what they need: free stuff! Seriously, you were just joking, were you?

Free housing is one of the benefits mentioned in the article.

Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

#33

Well then obviously wages haven't risen enough. For an extreme example, pay me 200$ an hour and I'll quit my web dev job and do it myself.

Although it's obviously not going to happen, even if it did you couldn't afford buying that same product as a direct result of the increase in cost.

Or more likely you just get automation. We don't use a lot of man hours per lb of corn. Which means even without massive subsidies it would still be dirt cheap.

Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean, give them homes on farms? Sure, why not.

Why give them work with decent wages? Just give people what they need: free stuff! Seriously, you were just joking, were you?

I doubt they were joking. The homeless need homes more than they need jobs.

Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

#36

Farming is one of the most dangerous jobs in the US. There are reasons aside from money that people choose to pursue other careers.

I would think it being seasonal would put a big damper on people wanting to do it: if you can only work 6-8 months a year, what are you going to do the rest of the time?

Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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> Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job No. Californians don't want the jobs. Americans live in more than just CA, I know a lot of people in CA find this hard to believe but there is a whole world outside of Sillycon Valley.

> No. Californians don't want the jobs. Americans live in more than just CA Yes, but if they wanted the jobs, they'd come to CA for them. > I know a lot of people in CA find this hard to believe but there is a whole world outside of Sillycon Valley. Most people in California—who are, after all, themsleves outside of Silicon Valley, which is a small piece of the state—are well aware of that.

What's the equivalent of a $16 Napa salary in Nebraska? I really don't think it's worth moving for.

Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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Immigration laws seem likely to be enforced, illegal alien labor scabs self-deport in advance, and wages rise. Not hard to understand.

> illegal alien labor scabs self-deport in advance, and wages rise You know when there was a bug in the codebase so hard to fix and for so many years that developers started building on top of that and considered the bug to be 'not really a bug' but more of a design decision. And then some new hire comes along and fixes it without a deep understanding of the dependencies and breaks existing functionality. And then th…

Then the market will fix this, either by automation (which will create other problems for these mostly unskilled people in need), or by importing some more goods from abroad, and farmers changing to crops more competitive in the changed circumstances. Also it might create a slight inflation, which will likely result in the rise of wages, usually in a larger proportion in the lower end wages than in the high end, resulting in some eradication of the divide in wages.

Law is the foundation a society is built on. If breaking the law becomes the norm, a society will slowly disintegrate. If laws create more problems then they solve, but are enforced, they are eventually changed. This should be the norm, not breaking them.

Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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I work at the LA Times and conducted the data analysis of wages included in this story. We published all the code behind it on GitHub. AMA. https://github.com/datadesk/california-crop-production-wages...

Great work guys at LA Times! That is very transparent.

Thanks. The Jupyter Notebook technology is great for us. It's nice that it helps us be transparent, and it's even better that it helps us keep our analysis readable, sharable and organized when it's in development.

Re: Wages rise on California farms, Americans still don’t want the job

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> Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job No. Californians don't want the jobs. Americans live in more than just CA, I know a lot of people in CA find this hard to believe but there is a whole world outside of Sillycon Valley.

I guess Georgians or Alabamans don't want the jobs either? That's weird!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/alabama-law-drives-out-...

Maybe they can get those senior citizens living high on the hog of Meals On Wheels to get out there and pick crops?

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