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To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

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Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

#31

Aren't tolls like this an incredibly regressive tax that further hurts the poor?

Use taxes such as highway tolls are among the most economically efficient ways to raise revenue to maintain and improve public goods. Since most tolling is electronic now, it's straightforward to provide a means-tested toll credit for people who would otherwise have trouble paying for their portion of the use of the expressway.

Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LA is 35 miles long. What would the walking commute of 10 million people look like? So you're suggesting that instead of fixing the problem (public transit) they should start whipping people so that the rich can drive on their traffic-free roads?

The point of tolls is not to make roads exclusive for the wealthy. A sensible toll would be something anyone who can afford to own a car can be expected pay.

Not to mention that the very same person will sometimes WANT to pay a toll for an uncongested lane. Running late for an interview? Maybe $15 is worth it to go 70mph for 20 miles at 8:30 AM.

Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

#35
post #22

The problem as I see it is that we force everyone onto the freeway. Need to get somewhere a few miles from here? They make it very difficult to get there without getting onto the freeway. There was some point in the last 30 years where city designers decided the best way to handle local traffic was just to force everyone onto the freeway. It's horrible. There should instead be a reasonable main grid of smaller (2 lan…

Maybe we should also consider the concept of mass transit? The increased likelihood of injury or death from increased transit time in automobiles alone is a health hazard.

Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

#36

I doubt this has any effect, rich people don't care, poor people can't afford to move somewhere else. Public transport is the only effective approach to reducing the congestion.

Well, letting people build homes near jobs so the distances traveled are shorter (or walked, or cycled) also helps.

Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

#38
post #10

The article falsely assumes that the HOV lane has spare capacity. During rush hour here all lanes are equally clogged, and sometimes the HOV lane is actually slower than the other 4 lanes. The only way to fix LA traffic with current infrastructure is self driving car pools. If/when they can get to the point in which they are safer than normal drivers, and safe for the riders (crime inside of self driving cars) LA tra…

True ride-sharing could also help, and sooner than self-driving cars. Uber and Lyft talked about matching departing commuters in real-time, which would greatly reduce the inflexibility that makes traditional carpooling so unpleasant. I'm not sure why that never took off.

Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

#40
post #34

LOL the same arguments where used in Sweden, Stockholm and Gothenburg, worked for a few months, the traffic is worse again. It was just a great lie for the the public to finance other prestige projects.

Exactly this is just another way to squeeze citizens.

If you consider how much we pay in taxes, as Americans we really don't get bang for the buck.

Our taxes are hidden behind sales taxes, service charges, tolls, included in fuel, it really adds up.

The toll thing is especially egregious IMO, considering there had been very little investment in this type of infrastructure and now we have to pay because the people who mishandled funds are long gone.

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