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Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security

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Post by rodionos »

Let's look at raw statistics for a second. The data comes from the Swedish crime agency bra.se: https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statist...

1) Total numbers of offenses. Rape statistics chart is displayed below:

https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/013dc374/1/#fullscreen

2) Population pro-rated:

https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/013dc374/3/#fullscreen

What happened in 2002-2004? As was discussed in media, the Swedish authorities have encouraged reporting of sex offenses and changed the methodology of how rape crime is reported and counted.

One of the unintended side effects is that it's difficult to compare the time series, and this is one of the challenges that all statistical agencies are facing. If you change the definition, be prepared for misunderstanding and misreporting - both intentional and not.

By the way, the country where Julian Assange is alleged of a sex assault is ... Sweden.

Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security

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Post by baobrain »

willvarfar wrote: post #22
dep_b wrote: post #8

It's a bit weird that a country safer than the US now gets portrayed as a sodom and gomorra of rape and violence. The striking difference between Swedes and immigrants in terms of violent crimes (four times as much, five times for rape) is declared for a large part by the fact that Swedes on average are nice and peaceful people. Fox and Trump blowing everything out of proportion shouldn't stop a healthy debate about…

Immigrants don't commit crimes. Poor people commit crimes. It happens that the poorest people in Sweden right now are immigrants. The rape stats are also way different from how they are portrayed in the media. In Sweden, if you are in an abusive relationship, every instance of abuse is counted individually, and as Assange learned, the law is very strict. As other countries tend to do far worse at reporting and prosec…

I just want to point out that socioeconomic status is generally not an established correlate of crime, despite many thinking it is, though it's possible that the disparity may cause people to commit crime. It's probably not very accurate to attribute crime to immigrants being poor.

Disclaimer: I am not an expert in criminology and also not very familiar with sweden's situation

Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security

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Post by stanleydrew »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #12
stanleydrew wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw something about it on Twitter. But it's Fox News, so wasn't really that unexpected. They have been attempting to manipulate the public on a massive scale for a long time, as long as the manipulation serves the preferred narrative.

Surely, NBC, CNN, etc try and do this also? Note: Don't take this to mean I, in ANY way, support Fox News.

I'm not suggesting they don't but we're not discussing a specific instance on any of those networks, so that's not really at issue here. I think Fox News showed that low-integrity narrative-fitting and selective editing are very profitable. Other networks have probably followed to some extent.

Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security

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Post by danielvf »

byrnedo wrote: post #25

Murders / 100k people in Sweden: 4. Chicago has 27.

Comparing Sweden to Chicago seems a bit of a stretch. A number more directly comparable would be the US Non-Black homicide rate, which was 2.54 per 100,000 in 2015.

I think that's lower than the Sweden figure in the sibling comment.

[Edit: I had said that this rate was also lower than England. I was wrong on that one. ]

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security

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Post by reitanqild »

willvarfar wrote: post #22
dep_b wrote: post #8

It's a bit weird that a country safer than the US now gets portrayed as a sodom and gomorra of rape and violence. The striking difference between Swedes and immigrants in terms of violent crimes (four times as much, five times for rape) is declared for a large part by the fact that Swedes on average are nice and peaceful people. Fox and Trump blowing everything out of proportion shouldn't stop a healthy debate about…

Immigrants don't commit crimes. Poor people commit crimes. It happens that the poorest people in Sweden right now are immigrants. The rape stats are also way different from how they are portrayed in the media. In Sweden, if you are in an abusive relationship, every instance of abuse is counted individually, and as Assange learned, the law is very strict. As other countries tend to do far worse at reporting and prosec…

Immigrants don't commit crimes. Poor people commit crimes. It happens that the poorest people in Sweden right now are immigrants.

Person living in Norway here:

No, being an immigrant doesn't make you a criminal.

However, statistically speaking certain crimes are very much overrepresented with certain cultures.

I'm not saying Europeans are perfect: a lot of bad stuff existed when I was young.

But there where certain things that just didn't exist.

It is scary to see the coming of a culture were rape is ok, honour killings are ok (as told by immigrants who speak up) etc etc.

Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security

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Post by indlebe »

willvarfar wrote: post #22
dep_b wrote: post #8

It's a bit weird that a country safer than the US now gets portrayed as a sodom and gomorra of rape and violence. The striking difference between Swedes and immigrants in terms of violent crimes (four times as much, five times for rape) is declared for a large part by the fact that Swedes on average are nice and peaceful people. Fox and Trump blowing everything out of proportion shouldn't stop a healthy debate about…

Immigrants don't commit crimes. Poor people commit crimes. It happens that the poorest people in Sweden right now are immigrants. The rape stats are also way different from how they are portrayed in the media. In Sweden, if you are in an abusive relationship, every instance of abuse is counted individually, and as Assange learned, the law is very strict. As other countries tend to do far worse at reporting and prosec…

I think it's a misconception that the alt-right and Neo-nazis are the only ones applying scrutiny to the immigration policies of Sweden and Europe as a whole. A large portion of these concerns are coming from the existing poor communities that are seeing an influx of refugees into their neighbourhoods.

>Immigrants don't commit crimes. Poor people commit crimes. I would rephrase this as "high crime rates are associated with low-income demographics, which those immigrating to Europe as part of the refugee crisis fall into". Also, one could safely argue that the poorer the community, the higher the crime.

"Low-income" neighbourhoods in Sweden have changed, they've become much poorer as a result of the refugee crisis, therefore crime has risen in areas that used to be "safe". Therefore those who used to live in those areas have experienced a major change in their surroundings and find themselves in less safe environments. Again, the world's poor are the ones bearing the weight of this change.

Full disclosure: My source is anecdotal, from friends that have families in the poorer neighbourhoods in Malmo who are struggling to relocate to safer areas.

Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security

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Post by Sunset »

briffle wrote: post #26
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before the election, some of the people I talked to said that if Trump won, they'd exit the country. When asked where they'd go, it was always Canada or Sweden. Maybe this has something to do with it?

Did any of them actually leave?

No. It was just virtue signaling and a massive display of privilege, to be able to up and move over to another country on a whim.

Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security

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Post by splitrocket »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #13
spiderfarmer wrote: post #11

Things like this makes me worried about the future of the USA. How can a country succeed in the future if they reject reality? I know Fox News is not representative of all US media, but even the president admits that his worldview is based on whatever the news editor cooks up that day.

> I know Fox News is not representative of all US media... No? I mean, maybe they're the most egregious, but I'll bet each and every media outlet bends things from time to time to fit a narrative. Look at the live reporting that happened during the election. There was a lot of sputtering going on when THAT didn't fit their narrative.

Evidence?

This is pretty clear case of a total failure to check the credentials of an "expert".

Additionally, Fox has a history of similar failures. No other major news network comes even close.

http://mashable.com/2015/10/16/fbi-arrests-fox-news-analyst/...

Re: Fake Sweden expert on Fox News – no connection to Swedish security

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Post by Melchizedek »

Nevertheless, what he said was completely correct.

"National security advisor" in an American context is apparently not just someone who gives advise on national security, but a specific high ranking post. Nils Bildt however is an independent analyst from Sweden who is based in the US. If the Swedish government considers him an "expert" or not seems irrelevant.

While the presentation of who he is was misleading, it doesn't seem like a huge conspiracy and could simply be a mistake. The reaction to it looks like a case of killing the messenger when you don't like the message.

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