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Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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For the Dutch people here considering what to vote in the March elections, I made an overview of statements of the parties on privacy and internet freedom: https://goo.gl/roiqVJ

> privacy and internet freedom: goo.gl Is a little ironic.

I agree, so I reuploaded it on riseup:

blob:https://share.riseup.net/43c16173-b82e-4914-8608-4d74a331754...

Sorry for violating your copyright! Feel free to DMCA.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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As far as I understand Wikipedia there is no court comparable to the German Federal Constitutional Court, which could block such a law if it violated the Dutch constitution. Is that correct?

The Netherlands has no constitutional court. However, the First Chamber (Senate) does see checking of laws against the constitution as one of its tasks, and has rejected laws for such reasons in the recent past. Some parties are proposing a constitutional court in their programme for the coming elections.

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Vote Piratenpartij if you're serious about privacy/security. For other parties it's just a 'side issue'.

The Dutch Piratenpartij always made a very "Occupy-ish" disorganized and unprofessional impression on me, but maybe someone here as an inside view or a different perspective?

Many parties started like that. They're under very good leadership of Ancilla van der Leest now. She's knowledgeable, driven, and much better at communication/politics than the people before her.

I'm really just a bystander but it seems to me that she's already made the party significantly better organized since she started. Notably some people who preferred drama over results have resigned from board since she started. There hasn't been any drama since.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Is there any action we can take against this bill? (I live in the NL)

No, but you can start by following Bits of Freedom or Privacybarometer on your favourite social medium, and voting for the Pirate Party, who've seriously levelupped this election. That way you can help prevent things from getting worse before, instead of after, they happen.

And maybe, given enough time, be part of a movement that reverses this bill.

https://bof.nl/ https://www.privacybarometer.nl/ https://tk2017.piratenpartij.nl/

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vote Piratenpartij if you're serious about privacy/security. For other parties it's just a 'side issue'.

The pirate party is awfully specific, like the pvdd (party for animal welfare; partij voor de dieren). I would love to vote for the pirate party if they would just stick to IT, but they can't: if someone gets into parliament, they suddenly have to decide on everything. I'm serious about privacy and IT stuff, but I am also serious about education and peace. Calling your party the animal party, 50+ party, pirate party,…

Don't just look at the name. The PvdD also has a lot of good policies in terms of privacy and other social issues.

But maybe it would be nice to be able to elect different parties in different areas of policy, like the water board.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pirate party is awfully specific, like the pvdd (party for animal welfare; partij voor de dieren). I would love to vote for the pirate party if they would just stick to IT, but they can't: if someone gets into parliament, they suddenly have to decide on everything. I'm serious about privacy and IT stuff, but I am also serious about education and peace. Calling your party the animal party, 50+ party, pirate party,…

Don't just look at the name. The PvdD also has a lot of good policies in terms of privacy and other social issues. But maybe it would be nice to be able to elect different parties in different areas of policy, like the water board.

> Don't just look at the name. The PvdD also has a lot of good policies in terms of privacy and other social issues.

Indeed, they do! That's why it's such a shame they're called PvdD because I don't have any particular affiliation with animals. I'm fine with them being treated well, but if that is so leading that they had to name their party like that, I am not sure it's a party I should vote for.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pirate party is awfully specific, like the pvdd (party for animal welfare; partij voor de dieren). I would love to vote for the pirate party if they would just stick to IT, but they can't: if someone gets into parliament, they suddenly have to decide on everything. I'm serious about privacy and IT stuff, but I am also serious about education and peace. Calling your party the animal party, 50+ party, pirate party,…

Did you even read the party programme of piratenpartij? You cannot seriously scream "piratenpartij is nonsense because it is single issue" when the pirate party has 60 page party programme that touches upon all aspects of society [ https://piratenpartij.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/PPNL-Ver... ] whilst the expected largest party has only a single sheet of paper that just says "Get rid of all Muslims in Europe + Clos…

> Did you even read the party programme of piratenpartij?

It's not because they have no (or a bad) programme, I said what I said because they are "the pirate party".

Regarding the PVV, the "party vor vreedom" (literally translated, for the non-Dutch people here), yeah they're literally George Orwell's 1984 doublespeak. A party for freedom that restricts our freedom every step of the way, and focuses on muslims the whole time. They should have been called the anti-foreigner party, or perhaps rename to Autochtonen Eerst (as a reference to America First). But anyway that was not the topic.

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